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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1818</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When are the occupiers gonna hire someone who can think???

Point1:

Let&#039;s say you want light in your kitchen.  You&#039;re in the bedroom,
so you flip the light switch.  Hmmm...no light in the kitchen.
Let&#039;s invite some people over to flip the bedroom light switch harder.
Hmmm, still no light in the kitchen.  Maybe if we trash the bedroom,
that&#039;ll make some light in the kitchen.    
Darn, why ain&#039;t this workin&#039;?????

People change their behavior for only one reason...they think their personal overall
existence will be better if they change.
The 1% control life as we know it.  They will not change their behavior
unless they think their PERSONAL overall existence will improve.

Occupy portland accomplished some things.  They trashed some parks and spent
a lot of money on police.  This cost the 99% money. It diverted scarce
resources from other programs that would have benefited the 99%.
Sorry, Charlie, we can&#039;t open the homeless shelter because we spent the
money on police overtime.
They reduced the sales of downtown merchants.
Name ONE 1%er who was influenced to defect to the 99% AND had any ability
to change anything at all.

Occupy Wall Street is closer to the mark, but is still ineffective.
You gotta put the pain where the ability to change is. Change happens only when a
specific individual feels that change will benefit him DIRECTLY.  
You think a single wall street banker felt his way of life was threatened?  He cares about ONE thing:  How big will his bonus
be this year.
You want
change, you&#039;re probably outa luck.  The 1% control everything.  You have
zero ability to fix that.  Best you can hope for is to elect politicians
who want change AND have some ability to effect it.
Bottom line is that you can&#039;t afford to get elected unless you&#039;re one
of the 1% and have support from a bunch of other 1%ers.

Point2:

My kid is a trouble maker.  I want his behavior to change.
&quot;You&#039;re a sorry excuse for a human being.&quot;
&quot;I hate you&quot;
&quot;I wish you were never born.&quot;
&quot;You&#039;ll never amount to anything.&quot;
Darn, I just can&#039;t get through to this kid.
Think I&#039;ll smack him around a little.
Nope, that didn&#039;t help.
Let&#039;s report him to the cops and put him in jail.
Darn, I&#039;ve tried everything on this kid...he just won&#039;t
reform...

If you don&#039;t like the current situation, you need to describe
what you DO want.  You need a PLAN...a detailed comprehensive
plan that has a chance of resulting in what you want.
This plan has to be vetted by scholars and smart rational people
currently involved in industry/government.
And 51% of the voting populace has to agree on that plan
when they express their desires at the polls.

A further complication for an economic plan is that it has
to work worldwide.  You just can&#039;t just create jobs in the
USA by eliminating imports.  You can&#039;t fix a worldwide problem
unilaterally.  And greed prevents worldwide consensus.

One of the biggest defects in a two-party political system is
that it&#039;s a two-party system.  A balance of opposing forces
results in INACTION...or at least compromised action that
produces as much harm as good.  Most don&#039;t have a plan,
but they sure know that they don&#039;t like the other guy&#039;s plan.
Our current form of government has many of the bad characteristics
of a dictatorship without the the advantage of unified 
vision and control.

You need an organized movement.  The Tea Party was an attempt at that.
ORGANIZE into a single movement.  Opposing factions won&#039;t fix it.
Aggregations in a public part won&#039;t fix it.

Point 3:

The driving force for every living thing is self-preservation aka GREED
aka instant gratification.
Been that way for billions of years.  
It AIN&#039;T GONNA CHANGE!!!
The ONLY course of action is to exploit that greed.
You must find a way to harness the forces of nature to achieve your goals.
Standing in the street and singing kumbaya ain&#039;t gonna help nobody.

The world economy is busted.  And it&#039;s busted because of decades of
greed.  It&#039;s gonna get worse before it gets better.
We&#039;ve got too many people.
We&#039;re depleting the world&#039;s resources at an unsustainable rate.
And it&#039;s rapidly increasing.  Huge populations are just starting
to experience the industrial revolution.

For decades, do-gooders in the USA have worked to raise the
standard of living worldwide.  If only someone had done the math,
they&#039;d have realized that this happens by dragging the US standard
of living DOWN.

Anybody stopped to think that, in the eyes of the world, WE
are the 1%.  The world would be better off if we disassembled
the USA and spread the wealth around.  And they sure have the
votes (and the nukes) to do it.  Thank your lucky stars that you live in the
greatest country in the world and &quot;they&quot; don&#039;t get to vote.

The 1% get richer by exporting jobs and importing cheap labor.

What&#039;s the easiest way to fix a 10% unemployment problem???
Easy, reduce the population 10%.

Bottom Line:
It&#039;s a complex problem that won&#039;t be fixed by trashing a public park.
Somebody needs to come up with a viable PLAN.

I&#039;m thankful that I had the good fortune to live through the
greatest period of prosperity that the wold will ever know.
Hopefully, I&#039;ll be dead by the time it all goes to hell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are the occupiers gonna hire someone who can think???</p>
<p>Point1:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you want light in your kitchen.  You&#8217;re in the bedroom,<br />
so you flip the light switch.  Hmmm&#8230;no light in the kitchen.<br />
Let&#8217;s invite some people over to flip the bedroom light switch harder.<br />
Hmmm, still no light in the kitchen.  Maybe if we trash the bedroom,<br />
that&#8217;ll make some light in the kitchen.<br />
Darn, why ain&#8217;t this workin&#8217;?????</p>
<p>People change their behavior for only one reason&#8230;they think their personal overall<br />
existence will be better if they change.<br />
The 1% control life as we know it.  They will not change their behavior<br />
unless they think their PERSONAL overall existence will improve.</p>
<p>Occupy portland accomplished some things.  They trashed some parks and spent<br />
a lot of money on police.  This cost the 99% money. It diverted scarce<br />
resources from other programs that would have benefited the 99%.<br />
Sorry, Charlie, we can&#8217;t open the homeless shelter because we spent the<br />
money on police overtime.<br />
They reduced the sales of downtown merchants.<br />
Name ONE 1%er who was influenced to defect to the 99% AND had any ability<br />
to change anything at all.</p>
<p>Occupy Wall Street is closer to the mark, but is still ineffective.<br />
You gotta put the pain where the ability to change is. Change happens only when a<br />
specific individual feels that change will benefit him DIRECTLY.<br />
You think a single wall street banker felt his way of life was threatened?  He cares about ONE thing:  How big will his bonus<br />
be this year.<br />
You want<br />
change, you&#8217;re probably outa luck.  The 1% control everything.  You have<br />
zero ability to fix that.  Best you can hope for is to elect politicians<br />
who want change AND have some ability to effect it.<br />
Bottom line is that you can&#8217;t afford to get elected unless you&#8217;re one<br />
of the 1% and have support from a bunch of other 1%ers.</p>
<p>Point2:</p>
<p>My kid is a trouble maker.  I want his behavior to change.<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;re a sorry excuse for a human being.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I hate you&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I wish you were never born.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;ll never amount to anything.&#8221;<br />
Darn, I just can&#8217;t get through to this kid.<br />
Think I&#8217;ll smack him around a little.<br />
Nope, that didn&#8217;t help.<br />
Let&#8217;s report him to the cops and put him in jail.<br />
Darn, I&#8217;ve tried everything on this kid&#8230;he just won&#8217;t<br />
reform&#8230;</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like the current situation, you need to describe<br />
what you DO want.  You need a PLAN&#8230;a detailed comprehensive<br />
plan that has a chance of resulting in what you want.<br />
This plan has to be vetted by scholars and smart rational people<br />
currently involved in industry/government.<br />
And 51% of the voting populace has to agree on that plan<br />
when they express their desires at the polls.</p>
<p>A further complication for an economic plan is that it has<br />
to work worldwide.  You just can&#8217;t just create jobs in the<br />
USA by eliminating imports.  You can&#8217;t fix a worldwide problem<br />
unilaterally.  And greed prevents worldwide consensus.</p>
<p>One of the biggest defects in a two-party political system is<br />
that it&#8217;s a two-party system.  A balance of opposing forces<br />
results in INACTION&#8230;or at least compromised action that<br />
produces as much harm as good.  Most don&#8217;t have a plan,<br />
but they sure know that they don&#8217;t like the other guy&#8217;s plan.<br />
Our current form of government has many of the bad characteristics<br />
of a dictatorship without the the advantage of unified<br />
vision and control.</p>
<p>You need an organized movement.  The Tea Party was an attempt at that.<br />
ORGANIZE into a single movement.  Opposing factions won&#8217;t fix it.<br />
Aggregations in a public part won&#8217;t fix it.</p>
<p>Point 3:</p>
<p>The driving force for every living thing is self-preservation aka GREED<br />
aka instant gratification.<br />
Been that way for billions of years.<br />
It AIN&#8217;T GONNA CHANGE!!!<br />
The ONLY course of action is to exploit that greed.<br />
You must find a way to harness the forces of nature to achieve your goals.<br />
Standing in the street and singing kumbaya ain&#8217;t gonna help nobody.</p>
<p>The world economy is busted.  And it&#8217;s busted because of decades of<br />
greed.  It&#8217;s gonna get worse before it gets better.<br />
We&#8217;ve got too many people.<br />
We&#8217;re depleting the world&#8217;s resources at an unsustainable rate.<br />
And it&#8217;s rapidly increasing.  Huge populations are just starting<br />
to experience the industrial revolution.</p>
<p>For decades, do-gooders in the USA have worked to raise the<br />
standard of living worldwide.  If only someone had done the math,<br />
they&#8217;d have realized that this happens by dragging the US standard<br />
of living DOWN.</p>
<p>Anybody stopped to think that, in the eyes of the world, WE<br />
are the 1%.  The world would be better off if we disassembled<br />
the USA and spread the wealth around.  And they sure have the<br />
votes (and the nukes) to do it.  Thank your lucky stars that you live in the<br />
greatest country in the world and &#8220;they&#8221; don&#8217;t get to vote.</p>
<p>The 1% get richer by exporting jobs and importing cheap labor.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the easiest way to fix a 10% unemployment problem???<br />
Easy, reduce the population 10%.</p>
<p>Bottom Line:<br />
It&#8217;s a complex problem that won&#8217;t be fixed by trashing a public park.<br />
Somebody needs to come up with a viable PLAN.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thankful that I had the good fortune to live through the<br />
greatest period of prosperity that the wold will ever know.<br />
Hopefully, I&#8217;ll be dead by the time it all goes to hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Secrest</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1817</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Secrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response Adrian Dejerk, and yes there are a few things that the Tea Party and the OWS movement have in common, just as there are a few things that Humans and fireflies have in common. But that does not makes us one in the same. Your OWS protest rails at the sympton while the Tea Party Protests rail at the disease itself. The OWS seeks to mend the damage with the equivalent of dark-aged bloodletting while the Tea Party uses modern day micro-surgery in cutting out and replacing infected areas. Your protests seeks economically crippling Collectivism while the Tea Party seeks individual responsibility and an end to corporate favoritism, and the goal of fiscal sanity. Sorry, but our two movements will never find common ground. But we applaud your right to protest non-violently and will fight for it....and yet, squatting is not exactly our idea of effective action, I should point out.
Best Regards~Barry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response Adrian Dejerk, and yes there are a few things that the Tea Party and the OWS movement have in common, just as there are a few things that Humans and fireflies have in common. But that does not makes us one in the same. Your OWS protest rails at the sympton while the Tea Party Protests rail at the disease itself. The OWS seeks to mend the damage with the equivalent of dark-aged bloodletting while the Tea Party uses modern day micro-surgery in cutting out and replacing infected areas. Your protests seeks economically crippling Collectivism while the Tea Party seeks individual responsibility and an end to corporate favoritism, and the goal of fiscal sanity. Sorry, but our two movements will never find common ground. But we applaud your right to protest non-violently and will fight for it&#8230;.and yet, squatting is not exactly our idea of effective action, I should point out.<br />
Best Regards~Barry</p>
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		<title>By: aaron armsworthy</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1816</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron armsworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[were you talkin to me, cause im 43 years old, i have busted my ass for 25 years and have never had a home,i work and live in a truck for basically food,i have no plumbing or nuthin,i totally support the homeless and think they are more important to this cause than some student tuition.and how come my other comments have not been approved are you sensoring me, i would like to get involved in this movement but you guys are totally confused and make no sense it has to be militantly inspired to sniff out dissenters petraues and the boys can be very clever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>were you talkin to me, cause im 43 years old, i have busted my ass for 25 years and have never had a home,i work and live in a truck for basically food,i have no plumbing or nuthin,i totally support the homeless and think they are more important to this cause than some student tuition.and how come my other comments have not been approved are you sensoring me, i would like to get involved in this movement but you guys are totally confused and make no sense it has to be militantly inspired to sniff out dissenters petraues and the boys can be very clever.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1815</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vilifying those without homes when there are real issues out there (which caused their plights) is pretty lame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vilifying those without homes when there are real issues out there (which caused their plights) is pretty lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Ant</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1814</link>
		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...but I suggest this time taking more care to keep out the troublemakers and homeless that have a different agenda than the Occupy Portland movement…&quot;

And prey tell what is your agenda if its not to protect the troublemakers (i.e. anarchists? junkies?) and homeless in society.

I am very suspect of anyone in a movement who would not consider the most marginalised in our communities before anyone else. 

Otherwise it is doomed to fail. 

These so called &#039;troublemakers and homeless&#039; are your natural allies.

It be your way soon the way the banana republic of America is crumbling.

Careful what you wish for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but I suggest this time taking more care to keep out the troublemakers and homeless that have a different agenda than the Occupy Portland movement…&#8221;</p>
<p>And prey tell what is your agenda if its not to protect the troublemakers (i.e. anarchists? junkies?) and homeless in society.</p>
<p>I am very suspect of anyone in a movement who would not consider the most marginalised in our communities before anyone else. </p>
<p>Otherwise it is doomed to fail. </p>
<p>These so called &#8216;troublemakers and homeless&#8217; are your natural allies.</p>
<p>It be your way soon the way the banana republic of America is crumbling.</p>
<p>Careful what you wish for.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron armsworthy</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1813</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron armsworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What cracks me up about this is these spoilt educated protesters who apparently have some money they want to tax the rich and redistribute the wealth but the criticize the homeless vagrants at the protest as degenerates who are just there for a free meal its comical, these kids are confused, it wasnt wall street that bankrupted america that was a cover up for the troops raping the country the last 10 years,and a lot of your protesters are vets on the government dole i as a working man have to pay the vets pension,healtcare gi bill etc. yet i have none of these benefits what in the world is he protesting about? As a working man i am more concerened about having to pay off the vet and future generations of cops and soldiers than i am some guy whos down at wall street trying to make a few bucks and mind you i will never have to pay the guy on wall streets pension or healthcare,like i said i think the militant government has inspired these protest to divert attention from the fact they raped and robbed this country and literally held us at gunpoint and now they are pinning the rap on wall street.$]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What cracks me up about this is these spoilt educated protesters who apparently have some money they want to tax the rich and redistribute the wealth but the criticize the homeless vagrants at the protest as degenerates who are just there for a free meal its comical, these kids are confused, it wasnt wall street that bankrupted america that was a cover up for the troops raping the country the last 10 years,and a lot of your protesters are vets on the government dole i as a working man have to pay the vets pension,healtcare gi bill etc. yet i have none of these benefits what in the world is he protesting about? As a working man i am more concerened about having to pay off the vet and future generations of cops and soldiers than i am some guy whos down at wall street trying to make a few bucks and mind you i will never have to pay the guy on wall streets pension or healthcare,like i said i think the militant government has inspired these protest to divert attention from the fact they raped and robbed this country and literally held us at gunpoint and now they are pinning the rap on wall street.$</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1812</link>
		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[second phase coming up it will be so much better....everything happens for a purpose....the second coming of occupy portland coming soon stay tuned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>second phase coming up it will be so much better&#8230;.everything happens for a purpose&#8230;.the second coming of occupy portland coming soon stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1811</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think protesters should march to Washington D.C. Camping in parks is not getting the message across anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think protesters should march to Washington D.C. Camping in parks is not getting the message across anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert M. Koretsky</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1810</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert M. Koretsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Richard, Occupy is just transitioning
to another phase- let&#039;s hope that this eviction filters
out the criminal element( not necessarily the homeless),
and in the next round we can learn from the 37 day
encampment, and move to occupy the city, the state,
and then the country and the world. This is only the
beginning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Richard, Occupy is just transitioning<br />
to another phase- let&#8217;s hope that this eviction filters<br />
out the criminal element( not necessarily the homeless),<br />
and in the next round we can learn from the 37 day<br />
encampment, and move to occupy the city, the state,<br />
and then the country and the world. This is only the<br />
beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron armsworthy</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/11/13/chapman-lownsdale-now-930-am/#comment-1809</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron armsworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah looks like you guys are movin around more thats good to see,you really need to think militantly stay organized you can do it peacefully but you need to think like cops,the cops are now goin to run around in groups of 10-20s lookin for weak numbers when they find them they will bring up reinforcements try to stay in big groups and dont let them isolate you when they show reinforcements merge groups together to match their numbers but always leave numbers to come in from behind them,they will always look to come at you head on its the only way systematically employ what they would call a civil use of force if they feel surrouned at all times and cannot corner you they will give up.They only have a couple of options to try to surround isolated small groups or just surround the whole crowd which would look like a massacre and they dont want that or give up,but cops will only fight in a situations their numbers allow they will not get in a mismatch of numbers unless they had you pinned in like they did i was really worried then they could have tear gassed you and pushed you but tear gas is less effective when you spread out]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah looks like you guys are movin around more thats good to see,you really need to think militantly stay organized you can do it peacefully but you need to think like cops,the cops are now goin to run around in groups of 10-20s lookin for weak numbers when they find them they will bring up reinforcements try to stay in big groups and dont let them isolate you when they show reinforcements merge groups together to match their numbers but always leave numbers to come in from behind them,they will always look to come at you head on its the only way systematically employ what they would call a civil use of force if they feel surrouned at all times and cannot corner you they will give up.They only have a couple of options to try to surround isolated small groups or just surround the whole crowd which would look like a massacre and they dont want that or give up,but cops will only fight in a situations their numbers allow they will not get in a mismatch of numbers unless they had you pinned in like they did i was really worried then they could have tear gassed you and pushed you but tear gas is less effective when you spread out</p>
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