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		<title>By: Syd</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Syd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We agree to direct all cigarette smoking to the corner of SW 4th and Main and will provide rain shelter for those who wish to smoke.&quot;

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I have to say my piece here on this. Sure, I believe it&#039;s good to have a space for the smokers especially because it makes it nicer for those who do not smoke in so many ways.

But, really... there seems no better time to me for those who smoke to consider what they are doing. There&#039;s been a lot of talk about banks, and fees, and such yet what is more direct funding of corporate slavery than smoking itself? Being a smoker is little different than putting the ring in your own nose and giving it to someone to yank on while paying for the privilege to be enslaved while others slave to grow, pick and pack the product that enriches those such as Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds not to mention big pharma who benefits off the illnesses caused.

There are so many other reasons to quit but the very soul of the Occupy movement gives a huge one.

Seriously, find the nicest house in Portland, knock on their door then offer them half your income this year in exchange for their dirt and stench and garbage. Oh, and offer to pick it all up for them too whenever they want no matter the time of day or night. All they have to do is yank your chain. That&#039;s just the beginning of the stupid that is smoking. Maybe add a big ass tattoo across your forehead that says, &quot;DUMBASS!&quot; and roll around in dog poo to simulate the smell which is a spent cigarette that clings to clothing, hair, carpets, curtains, cars, etc. Oh wait, forgot about the ruining health thing... :(

Erm... maybe I should just sign off here now that I&#039;ve become a bit confrontational. But, I speak from having been there. If I am able to quit, everyone is able, they just need to do it. And of course, stop funding the machine, the corporate masters.

Alternatively (and this is what it&#039;s all about, eh?) then perhaps there can be a corner of Chapman Square for the big banks and mortgage officers to collect some fees for no good reason too? Maybe put a bucket out for them also?

Another corner for the illicit political donations and Wal-Marts?

Just something to think about. When one removes his or her money from Citibank, it might be prudent to consider another withdrawal, that from nicotine as well.

Who is in charge of who? Become your own master.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We agree to direct all cigarette smoking to the corner of SW 4th and Main and will provide rain shelter for those who wish to smoke.&#8221;</p>
<p>~~~~<br />
I have to say my piece here on this. Sure, I believe it&#8217;s good to have a space for the smokers especially because it makes it nicer for those who do not smoke in so many ways.</p>
<p>But, really&#8230; there seems no better time to me for those who smoke to consider what they are doing. There&#8217;s been a lot of talk about banks, and fees, and such yet what is more direct funding of corporate slavery than smoking itself? Being a smoker is little different than putting the ring in your own nose and giving it to someone to yank on while paying for the privilege to be enslaved while others slave to grow, pick and pack the product that enriches those such as Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds not to mention big pharma who benefits off the illnesses caused.</p>
<p>There are so many other reasons to quit but the very soul of the Occupy movement gives a huge one.</p>
<p>Seriously, find the nicest house in Portland, knock on their door then offer them half your income this year in exchange for their dirt and stench and garbage. Oh, and offer to pick it all up for them too whenever they want no matter the time of day or night. All they have to do is yank your chain. That&#8217;s just the beginning of the stupid that is smoking. Maybe add a big ass tattoo across your forehead that says, &#8220;DUMBASS!&#8221; and roll around in dog poo to simulate the smell which is a spent cigarette that clings to clothing, hair, carpets, curtains, cars, etc. Oh wait, forgot about the ruining health thing&#8230; <img src='/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Erm&#8230; maybe I should just sign off here now that I&#8217;ve become a bit confrontational. But, I speak from having been there. If I am able to quit, everyone is able, they just need to do it. And of course, stop funding the machine, the corporate masters.</p>
<p>Alternatively (and this is what it&#8217;s all about, eh?) then perhaps there can be a corner of Chapman Square for the big banks and mortgage officers to collect some fees for no good reason too? Maybe put a bucket out for them also?</p>
<p>Another corner for the illicit political donations and Wal-Marts?</p>
<p>Just something to think about. When one removes his or her money from Citibank, it might be prudent to consider another withdrawal, that from nicotine as well.</p>
<p>Who is in charge of who? Become your own master.</p>
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		<title>By: angryman</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>angryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are welcome to bring amendments to the G.A.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are welcome to bring amendments to the G.A.</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so proud of the work you are doing.
A minor - but to many significant - addition to the &quot;collective chanting &#039;leave now&#039;&quot;: &quot;PLEASE leave now&quot; 

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so proud of the work you are doing.<br />
A minor &#8211; but to many significant &#8211; addition to the &#8220;collective chanting &#8216;leave now&#8217;&#8221;: &#8220;PLEASE leave now&#8221; </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Heff</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Heff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really glad this proposal passed and people at the camp are taking a more proactive stance to deal with these safety issues. I know it&#039;s in it&#039;s formative stages yet, but I just wanted to share some ideas. I used to work with the downtown homeless youth population, and while we did not have a &quot;zero-tolerance&quot; drug &amp; weapon policy, we did the following few things which may or may not be helpful for OP:

1)While guests were allowed to be under the influence, they had to &quot;maintain&quot;. No hate speech or verbal abuse, no puking everywhere or instigating arguments. Drug use inside the space was not tolerated.

2)If we needed people to leave, we used a broken record technique: we repeated our request word for word, over and over, and they would leave. I personally never had to repeat myself more than 4 times. We had a &quot;no touch&quot; policy and simply standing our ground and respectfully and firmly telling people to leave worked 95% of the time. 

3) weapon check-in upon entrance. All weapons were clearly labeled with person&#039;s name (we used masking tape), and kept in a lock box. People checked them out when they left. **While I haven&#039;t been able to spend much time @OP in person, from what I can gather it seems many safety issues may be stemming from the street population. Streets are violent; weapons are thought as necessary for personal protection. However, if people entering the park feel and know that it is a safe space, it may be surprising how easy it is to have them voluntarily give up their weapons while they are there. This may be difficult to set up @ OP -- people would have to be trusted to approach the weapon safe-zone on their own and turn in their property, but I just wanted to put the idea out there. Also, weapons included knives, &quot;smilies&quot; (padlocked chains), lead pipes, etc.

I will try to attend a safety meeting or approach the committee in person this week. Best of luck to everyone there! You all are doing a great job and I for one appreciate all your hard work and dedication.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad this proposal passed and people at the camp are taking a more proactive stance to deal with these safety issues. I know it&#8217;s in it&#8217;s formative stages yet, but I just wanted to share some ideas. I used to work with the downtown homeless youth population, and while we did not have a &#8220;zero-tolerance&#8221; drug &amp; weapon policy, we did the following few things which may or may not be helpful for OP:</p>
<p>1)While guests were allowed to be under the influence, they had to &#8220;maintain&#8221;. No hate speech or verbal abuse, no puking everywhere or instigating arguments. Drug use inside the space was not tolerated.</p>
<p>2)If we needed people to leave, we used a broken record technique: we repeated our request word for word, over and over, and they would leave. I personally never had to repeat myself more than 4 times. We had a &#8220;no touch&#8221; policy and simply standing our ground and respectfully and firmly telling people to leave worked 95% of the time. </p>
<p>3) weapon check-in upon entrance. All weapons were clearly labeled with person&#8217;s name (we used masking tape), and kept in a lock box. People checked them out when they left. **While I haven&#8217;t been able to spend much time @OP in person, from what I can gather it seems many safety issues may be stemming from the street population. Streets are violent; weapons are thought as necessary for personal protection. However, if people entering the park feel and know that it is a safe space, it may be surprising how easy it is to have them voluntarily give up their weapons while they are there. This may be difficult to set up @ OP &#8212; people would have to be trusted to approach the weapon safe-zone on their own and turn in their property, but I just wanted to put the idea out there. Also, weapons included knives, &#8220;smilies&#8221; (padlocked chains), lead pipes, etc.</p>
<p>I will try to attend a safety meeting or approach the committee in person this week. Best of luck to everyone there! You all are doing a great job and I for one appreciate all your hard work and dedication.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is about 99% (All different aspects of life and different viewpoints) being involved in the same physical space. The guidelines they are offering are not laws; they are a form of organized thought that much of the 99% can see as a good idea and support. Communally supported behavior is different than law. Although social pressure does become involved, it&#039;s still impossible to protect 100% of freedoms for 100% of the population.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is about 99% (All different aspects of life and different viewpoints) being involved in the same physical space. The guidelines they are offering are not laws; they are a form of organized thought that much of the 99% can see as a good idea and support. Communally supported behavior is different than law. Although social pressure does become involved, it&#8217;s still impossible to protect 100% of freedoms for 100% of the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Xplo</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>Xplo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If some violent person comes along with a knife or gun, you are most likely helpless whether you are armed or not. Knife fights typically don&#039;t have winners and losers, only people bleeding out at different rates. Most people who carry guns are not capable of accurately placing shots under combat stress. No amount of personal armament will protect you if you&#039;re already neutralized by a surprise attack before you can effectively respond.

Even the police can do nothing to prevent such an attack; in what way would the occupation become dependent on police for a service they don&#039;t actually provide?

At the same time, I&#039;m not sure you appreciate the power of nonviolent social pressure to modify behavior, or the ability of a large, determined group to overpower a single attacker, if it should be necessary.

Smart, survival-minded people seek first to avoid trouble. If you don&#039;t feel safe within the camp without being armed, the proper response is to leave. I support the Second Amendment and would defend your right to go appropriately armed within public space not appropriated by the occupation.


...with that said, I&#039;m curious how this will affect the use and possession of knives. Unlike guns, which have no legitimate nonviolent use inside a public park (you&#039;re not going to be hunting or target shooting!), knives serve as both tools and weapons - and this is generally true *regardless of which purpose they appear more fit for*.

As an example, I own and keep sharp (though do not routinely carry) two nondescript folding knives with sturdy 3&quot; blades. Either one is more than adequate to slit someone&#039;s throat, puncture a vital organ, or inflict other serious wounds. They also do a good job of cutting twine and sandwiches.

For this reason, I support knife rights and object to any blanket classification of knives as dangerous weapons or their users as hazards to the community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If some violent person comes along with a knife or gun, you are most likely helpless whether you are armed or not. Knife fights typically don&#8217;t have winners and losers, only people bleeding out at different rates. Most people who carry guns are not capable of accurately placing shots under combat stress. No amount of personal armament will protect you if you&#8217;re already neutralized by a surprise attack before you can effectively respond.</p>
<p>Even the police can do nothing to prevent such an attack; in what way would the occupation become dependent on police for a service they don&#8217;t actually provide?</p>
<p>At the same time, I&#8217;m not sure you appreciate the power of nonviolent social pressure to modify behavior, or the ability of a large, determined group to overpower a single attacker, if it should be necessary.</p>
<p>Smart, survival-minded people seek first to avoid trouble. If you don&#8217;t feel safe within the camp without being armed, the proper response is to leave. I support the Second Amendment and would defend your right to go appropriately armed within public space not appropriated by the occupation.</p>
<p>&#8230;with that said, I&#8217;m curious how this will affect the use and possession of knives. Unlike guns, which have no legitimate nonviolent use inside a public park (you&#8217;re not going to be hunting or target shooting!), knives serve as both tools and weapons &#8211; and this is generally true *regardless of which purpose they appear more fit for*.</p>
<p>As an example, I own and keep sharp (though do not routinely carry) two nondescript folding knives with sturdy 3&#8243; blades. Either one is more than adequate to slit someone&#8217;s throat, puncture a vital organ, or inflict other serious wounds. They also do a good job of cutting twine and sandwiches.</p>
<p>For this reason, I support knife rights and object to any blanket classification of knives as dangerous weapons or their users as hazards to the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great job on putting together safety and basic guidelines for the community. It&#039;s put together well based on physical protection and mutual respect of space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job on putting together safety and basic guidelines for the community. It&#8217;s put together well based on physical protection and mutual respect of space.</p>
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		<title>By: henrik</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like hearing that there are more smokers than non-smokers at the camp... it&#039;s a good thing that the unemployed are keeping the big corp smoke factories in business! Keep on smoking!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like hearing that there are more smokers than non-smokers at the camp&#8230; it&#8217;s a good thing that the unemployed are keeping the big corp smoke factories in business! Keep on smoking!</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am very proud of Occupy PDX for making this tough and perhaps controversial decision. The verbiage and actions shown in these guidelines reflect the amount of time and thought put into this decision. I know this was a tough consensus to reach but these guidelines add credence to the overall movement and will help dispel the myths about this movement. On a personal note this will now better enable me to brings friends, family and coworkers down to the occupation and help educate them as to what this whole movement is about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very proud of Occupy PDX for making this tough and perhaps controversial decision. The verbiage and actions shown in these guidelines reflect the amount of time and thought put into this decision. I know this was a tough consensus to reach but these guidelines add credence to the overall movement and will help dispel the myths about this movement. On a personal note this will now better enable me to brings friends, family and coworkers down to the occupation and help educate them as to what this whole movement is about.</p>
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		<title>By: OccupyPDXfood</title>
		<link>https://occupyportland.org/2011/10/16/collective-agreement-guidelines-community-safety-well-being/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator>OccupyPDXfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BACKGROUND: 

There are safety issues that affect us all, as a movement and as a community. 
There have been cases of people pulling knives, fighting, intimidation and other behaviors threatening the safety of camp. 

The Occupy Movement is not about policing. It’s about changing our corrupt system. Here at Occupy Portland, we are creating a way of life that is safe and supportive of everyone. 

This proposal has been crafted through many hours of public meetings, feedback from outside and inside of Occupy Portland, the collective wisdom and experience of Right 2 Dream Too*, and ultimately crafted out of love for this camp to ensure the safety and well-being off all participants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BACKGROUND: </p>
<p>There are safety issues that affect us all, as a movement and as a community.<br />
There have been cases of people pulling knives, fighting, intimidation and other behaviors threatening the safety of camp. </p>
<p>The Occupy Movement is not about policing. It’s about changing our corrupt system. Here at Occupy Portland, we are creating a way of life that is safe and supportive of everyone. </p>
<p>This proposal has been crafted through many hours of public meetings, feedback from outside and inside of Occupy Portland, the collective wisdom and experience of Right 2 Dream Too*, and ultimately crafted out of love for this camp to ensure the safety and well-being off all participants.</p>
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