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Please continue to show the GA Meetings for those who cannot attend.
Last night you did not show. Wem need to see whats going on. Thanks Barry
Also can you please post Livestream Timesyou will be live so we can plan our days to watch please lmk Thanks Barry
Would be nice somehow to organize shuttle services to outer counties as I’m sure I’m not the only one who wants to physically participate with the masses at times but does not have the transportation because I am one of the 99%. I feel the need to be there, I have been in pain and fear a long time for my children, my grandchildren and all those suffering. Thanks, Ronda
I am really enthusiastic about getting involved with the community, understanding the time limitations so many of us have in our daily lives I have to wonder why Occupy Portland can’t bring the General Assembly to my side of town?
Where is the live stream? On this web page? Is it temporarily invisible?
Is there an archive of earlier streams?
Unfortunately the battery died for Livestream during the GA. The media team is working to bring as much live content, including general assemblies, to the web as possible. Thank you for your patience as we work to solve occasional technical issues.
here is a fantastic video
using some of Obama’s and Clinton’s words from the middle east uprisings… to our favor
DON’T use FaceBook for GA … use regular website instead, this site is wordpress based and there are enough plugins to get the same results.
Not everybody has a FaceBook page and not everybody is willing to get a FaceBook page
is the live chat down?
What sort of battery is needed for live stream? I can probably bring one by tomorrow, if it’s available in town.
Great live stream of the GA’s. Thanks!
Party on portland
Great coverage of GAs and camp activities every night, but the past two nights were incredible. Thanks RiseMedia, risemediateam, and anyone else I may have forgotten for your hard work in keeping online folks connected to Occupy Portland when we can’t be on site.
please edit yourself
put a bird on it!
that’s the spirit
Is there a way that we who are watching on the live feed can vote on proposals or speak our concerns?
Great work and thank you!
how is this a live stream? its 1:43pm.. and people are using flashlights
For all the hard work you are doing it has become clear that there is a serious disorganization in this movement. While you allow all freedoms you have allowed a band to sing “F%*k the USA” and it has been posted, distributed and redistributed all over the internet. View the commentaries on all of these sites and you will see that the moderates will not support a movement that denegrates this country. You have not spoken on freedoms or the points that this country is founded on so the media has been haranging you for your ties to communism and socialism (oooo big scares.) Unfortunately this will all add up to a rapid disintegration of the Occupy movement. If you are not going to get organized and you are going to allow bad press you will disappear. You must have good media if you want to survive. It doesn’t matter if you believe in good media or not, the fact is the world operates on media and it is clear that you have worked so hard to get the press there. Why are you allowing it to backfire on you? Once you lose the support of the masses (and right now you only have peaked their interest) this movement will be a laughing joke in the presidential elections and you will never get your kite off the ground. You need the wind of the people.
I am in absolute agreement with this post by Ed. It is time to start organizing by looking at the big picture and pinpointing and naming the source of the problem (simply put, corporate greed= waaaayyyy too much corporate power in our government). This specific “democratic crime” has been the cause for a multitude of individual and personal issues across the country and across demographics that make it hard to organize. So, get at the source (corporate greed, etc.) and branch out from there. This should be done nationally with all other leaders of Occupy- I really hope that is happening(!!!). Keep your eye on the prize: social and economic justice. Occupy cannot start looking like a bunch of campers who would rather be unemployed camping in a park than make any real change.
I am an under-employed teacher (I have a Masters Degree). I am fighting daily to keep my apartment so I can provide shelter for my kids. Sometimes, I don’t eat so that they can. I am the part of the 99% that wholeheartedly believe in the movement.
I agree that the media is critical, and the need for the image and message to be used for maximum positive effect. So far there is a lot of negative going on that scares people, like the drinking by the camp homeless just camping, and people drinking and using drugs on the edges of the camp.
I also agree that it is OK to criticize Wall St. and politicians and policies, but not to show blatant anti-American demonstrations.
What you and many others fail to grasp is that no one “lets” anyone do anything. There are no leaders, no police, no hierarchy. And that is what is so hard for people to grasp….a leaderless movement. That is how this movement will stay true to the PEOPLE and not become co-opted by other organizations/political systems, etc. While the result is that some people do and say things that are not popular, that is the whole point. Neither you nor I have the right to censor another persons thoughts and beliefs as indicated in their speech. We have no right to “let” them speak or prohibit it. Hard concept I know, but work with it. Let go of your judgements, accept that others think differently than you on many issues, but look for the common ground…THAT is how this movement is “organized” and why it WILL be successful.
In total agreement.
That’s a great desire. However, it has been clear that no matter what, “good press” is not in the cards. If anyone gets hurt or commits a crime within any proximity of an Occupy camp or march, the headline will be “Occupy violence: Occupy Bad”.
You cannot nice your way into good press if the press is owned by people who direct it to set things out a certain way.
Traditional protests and organizations, of the specific issue advocacy type, have proven ineffectual. Discussion is by and large useless. It goes back to the same point. in the 60s, a protest would be covered by the media, the politicians would feel either shame or fear of their voters, and things would change, at least a little.
Now, we can drop thousands on the street for a march, and hardly get a mention in local media, much less national. They own the means of communication, so they can quite easily ignore what is inconvenient.
In the mean time, the politicians in place are adept at playing the “lesser of 2 evils” card, and coordinating to ensure that it does not matter whether 85% of the US voters agree on a particular issue, if it hurts the 1%, it will not happen. Moving to specific issue advocacy, having long, arduous discussions, will get us nowhere. The peace movement has been at it for years. So has the equal rights movement. The women’s movement. Minority movements. Even the Labor movement. And they are all still getting nowhere.
these poly sci grad school CIA plants have totally undermined the movement
their tactic seems to be to put all the energy into process
Regarding the efforts of the media to distribute the instances of bad press.
First they ignore you,
Then they laugh at you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
They tried to ignore OWS as long as they could.
They are now trying to discredit and laugh at us.
They are just begining their fight.
We Will Win!
If not for the lack of bus money and my health, I would have loved to march. Keep up the fight! do not back down!
OWS is only the very beginning of a grassroots movment for change in our political system. Changes for Wallstreet, the tax code, education and just about everything else must be begin in CONGRESS. Eventually, this movement which has been stirred by economic difficulties and unfairness, will move over to OCCUPY CONGRESS. Our congress is controled by campaign donations from corporate and the wealthy. There must be a REVOLUTION. Congress will not vote to change the campaign funds that are the life’s blood for all professional politicians. Americans will have to rise up and take our congress back. It is only a matter of time.
Dear Ed on the 17th and Jimmy on the 23rd:
Your points are right on, but who is going to do it. This movement, Occupy Portland, Et Al, is so proud of not having any leadership that they have nullified themselves because any endeavor that will actually accomplish anything when it involves homo sapiens needs leadership as, at the very least, an organizing and mentoring, monitoring function to execute whatever plan or enterprise that has been agreed upon in the case of an egalitarian undertaking such as is the case with Occupy Portland, and all the others. What seems to be forgotten or misunderstood by the gathering is that it is not an advantage to be leaderless, rather we should aspire to have leaders that actually answer to and are controlled by us, the lead. It is imperative that the lead are in complete control of the leaders or pointpersons, if this is a better or more desirable term, monitoring and directing by the lead on a continuous basis, correcting and amending the work product of the pointpersons. This has been largely forgotten or neglected by the American electorate and for quite some time so that the leadership has become a product of the elite and those who do their bidding, and that would be elected officials, corporations, in general, and Wall Street, in particular. Someone must get this message out. I believe that I am to old to be listened to by Occupy, but you, Ed, and also you, Jimmy, along with the others of you all who are coming to realize this, can you all get this information into the discussions around the world. If not then this entire effort, as important and timely as it is, will devolve into what “eatmycorn” on the 16th addressed, “party on” and that will be it, all of Occupy will become a minor footnote to the history of the second most important economic crisis in the history of the planet, instead of its greatest influence. Those generations involved in the first most important economic crisis, the WWI, Great Depression and the WWII, generations, were able to struggle their way through the crisis and evoked some of the most masterful, important and stabilizing laws, rules, regulations, and institutions ever created by homo sapiens. It was those laws, et al, that created the conditions and provided the stimulus needed to bring about the greatest leap forward for mankind in its history, relative to the very short time span of 45 years, 1928AD to 1973AD. It is time again, but we must have a starting point and that point could be you, Ed and Jimmy, and your cohorts, not to put any pressure on you, of course. So, what about it, Ed and Jimmy? Can you guys light a little tinsy flame of information and cogitation? It could work. You know, I think I’ll post this over on the OWS webpage and see if maybe they can find their own Ed and Jimmy. I think each Occupy needs Ed and Jimmy. Can someone help me? Thank you for your kind consideration and attentiveness for having gotten all the way through this post, and hopefully, giving the idea due and thoughtful review and reflection, AND THEN TAKING APPROPRIATE ACTION. That’s all I ask, although that is quite a lot. So, thanks, again!!! My “Thanks”, and I believe, the “Thanks” and Forever Gratitude of posterity.
PS, please forgive my spelling and punctuation, I am of limited education.
occupy portland is registered as a corporation.
The movement is fast becoming that which is protesting. In-fighting, greed, devisive factions. Bickering.
its not a protest any more…its a homeless soup kitchen
Understand this – ‘Sharing’ something does not mean ‘taken from someone by force and given away’
Amen. Forcing something to be taken from someone and redistributed to someone else is Marxism. Sharing is voluntary and a virtue. Marxism is nothing more than ambition-robbing evil theft.
Wow! I walk by the camp everyday and (for the most part) all I see is a bunch of bumbs and drug users having a good old time with free food and free shelter. Now I do support those of you who are actually doing something! There needs to be more of you! I think you guys should make sure the people in your protest feel the same way you do and are willing to do something to help. I support your protest, but I think you are way to unstructured to make a change! Get rid of the posers!
weel said..but they wont lesson to any one
it’s time we all stood up and take back what is ourS the most important thing we must remember is to remain peaceful this is all of ours country not just the 1% ers . big banks and corporations can buy our politicians but they cant buy our votes…. i love being a part of this movement and what it stands for IF YOU GET ARRESTED TODAY MARCHING ON THE PEARL DO NOT TAKE A DEAL DEMAND A JURY TRIAL CLOG UP THE COURTS THIS IS YOUR RIGHT GUARANTEED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
Bunch of F-ing losers. Your camping and marxist views are not welcome in Jamison Square. Go home. I hope someone commits significant acts of violence against this group since Sam isn’t interested in enforcing the law.
You sir are a very sick person and should seek some mental health counseling before it is too late for you.
Patrick – I’m the one who needs mental health counseling?!? Uh, no, that would be all of you narcissistic miscreants who believe you represent the 99% when the reality is you represent the bottom 1-3% of society (and I don’t mean in terms of income and wealth). It is your group that doesn’t give a damn that it is annoying, inconveniencing, and costing money of the hard working folks of this town. Your blocking of main street for a week or so, your destruction of public property, the overtime policing and city hall resources that are being used to try to manage your lawlessness, and your keeping hundreds of household up all night when you violated noise ordinances at Jamison Square – and all for what? You have proposed no good, coherent, or concrete solutions to any problems – instead you simply have general propaganda slogans related to a desire to take from the most productive members of society and redistribute their wealth and income to the least productive of society. You are a bunch of losers.
Hey Eric … get a job! You seem to have a lot of time on your hands.
Eric- i can understand your frustration…but i think you’re misjudging the situation. perhaps you could try to participate and help shape the message…this movement needs to include all people
Watched your rag-tag band of “protesters” march over the Broadway Bridge… not very many of you. Looks like Occupy Portland has alienated a LOT of their supporters. Remember when your marches had numbers in the thousands? You’re lucky if there were 75ppl marching w/ you to the Pearl today.
You shot yourself in the left foot when you wanted to hold Main Street. You shot yourself in the right foot when you wanted to camp in Jamison Square Park. These actions had no value. They did nothing for the movement.
You are wasting tax payer dollars. You are monopolizing city resources. Shame on you!
well said…all thats left in this movement is a soup kitchen and homeless camp…what a bunch of clowns and they will lesson to no one…lets see how far they get with no outside support…these people cant even take care of there own life…and they want to change the world?
The fewer, the more “rag-tag” the protesters at any one protest, the more we should thank them. I don’t think a low turn-out means they are not supported. I think it means they showed more dedication than I did. Hang in there, marchers and occupiers. You’re an inspiration to us all.
Thanks for the read “The fewer, the more “rag-tag” the protesters at any one protest,” …
I was on the march and although numbers aren’t my criteria for doing the march i am wondering why the march didn’t grow this week. The last second posting of times and agenda is ridiculous. And the Pearl District? What a mixed message that was. Getting strong armed by the facilitator to stand in solidarity for an agenda that pinpoints one sector of town as the 1%. Grow up! Start using some criteria for the marches. Is it outreach? Or is it self masturbation. It would have been great if you decided to do this at a different park every saturday. But starting at the Pearl District in pursuit of trying to get a “Clash” like they got in…. If you want to make the news then get creative. Hit the banks. Anything – you could position 5 people at 10 banks and every 5 minutes enter one and cause a ruckus (might even get arrested if you tried and that is your agenda) split before the police show up and like clockwork another bank gets hit every 5 minutes… blah blah blah – anyway this thing to stir up pearl district smacked of a weak attempt to be like the other violent clashes and instead of just following the paradigm get creative.
agree with keenes…that wasn’t so bad, and quite courageous, but let’s get creative! let’s not alienate the public, the more people involved the more power the people have
Well said…but i think you are talking to scared little kids that have circled the wagans and feel every one is attacking them now…they have lost most of the outside support and really have no clear agenda any longer…its a lost OCCUPY
I think you are full of shit. Read the article you responded too. These are sincere people with way more understanding and feeling than you. I think if you were intelligent and can see through the FOG of rotten repetitive thought process you engage yourself in then you might have a clue. PERIOD!
I am a huge supporter of the movement, but I’m having trouble understanding what the Occupation of Jamison square is going to accomplish? Was the sit-in agreed upon by the GA? What is the purpose behind it?
The original intend of a sit in at jameson square was to point out the inequality that exists even within portland (though 1/3 of the pearl is low income housing it is also filled with million dollar condos).What it ended up standing for was very different, we were told we would not be allowed to stay in the park after 12(though it was a public park just like chapman square) it was the feeling of many of the people there that this only showed that the city felt like they were allowing us to occupy chapman and that it was their park while our position has always been that is is public space and therefore ours. We felt that by staying there we would also show that city that we were not there because they allowed it but because it was our right and that that right wasn’t restricted to 2 parks but extended to all public space. Many people also there also felt this demonstration would show how corrupt our system was, that it would arrest people who were peacefully sitting in a park playing board games while bankers were allowed to steal billions of dollars American citizens and get away free. I’m pretty sure those were the reasons that park was occupied until 5:01 am (with only a 3 min break between the last arrest and people sitting back down in the center of the square) but there may have been other individual reasons.
To the folks of the #Occupy, stay strong, we are with you and we support you.
from my nice warm internet desk…lol…
Fu….ck off and go home!!
Simon’s comment was approved, but not mine telling someone cackling about watching the protesters being arrested to take the fascist dick out of her mouth? The moderators on this site are a bunch of worthless shitheels. Go fuck yourselves you miserable cunts.
Remember that all the negative comments and hate are a part of the process. As are the repression and violence that you have and may face. Do not lose faith in your fellow wo/man. There are many people who have been indoctrinated to the culture of money and ‘myself before everyone else’ – you cannot blame these people who are locked into a system that encourages us to view each other as competition and a potential threat. Stay strong, stay non-violent and stay your path.
well said my friend
PROPS to the camera man…well spoken, its people like you that bring this movement to the forefront of thought..
I support your movement and I am grateful for the work you are doing. Your movement will succeed, it is inevitable. It is preordained and destined to continue and in time you will prevail. Sir Isaac Newton said for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction; the movements around the world against Global Corporate Domination are an example Newton’s Law. I disagree with those who say that you need the media; the media, along with the banks, are the problem, not the solution. The media asks us to focus on what the protests ‘cost’, but those who take this spin seriously have lost track of the cost of the real damages to our country; the cost of the BANK BAILOUT, the WARS, the billions ‘lost’ or stolen by Halliburton, the fact that BP was just given another permit to drill in the gulf again, only deeper this time while the media continues their collusion of silence regarding the damage to life and local economy from last year’s spill. Those with the ability to think for themselves see through the media sham and know the ‘cost’ of the corruption comes at the expense of our infrastructure as we witness job loss, home loss, deterioration of education, healthcare, roads and bridges, green investment and the privatization of nearly everything, such as prisons. Really people? We want to profit from crime/punishment? As millions languish in prisons for victimless crime for the purpose of the perpetuation of ‘prisons as business’ we have lost track of the suffering created by social inequality and social injustice. Perhaps we need to re-read Fodor Dostoyevsky to remember how much suffering is wrought by a corrupt judicial system; recent outcry from a Republican audience to ‘let him die’ regarding a hypothetical person without healthcare is straight out of a Dickens novel. What has happened to our sense of compassion?? I thought Christianity’s main tenet was ‘brotherly love’……………ah, but we worship money now and isn’t that serving us well? To those who sing ‘f’ America, I would say your time would be better spent in reading a book and educating yourself. To those who write hostile blogs I would say that this revolution is being fought on your behalf too. Divisiveness is precisely what the 1% strives for, it’s what they use their media for; “divide and conquer” has served them well, in case you weren’t paying attention. To the GA I would say your commitment to non-violence is commendable and essential. Those who complain you are disorganized or need a central message are misguided as a result of media manipulation. While there may be truth to their assertion, it is clearly by design that you remain in this phase for now; the corpratocracy doesn’t like it because it makes you difficult to control. Pay close attention to the lessons of Gandhi and Dr. King; when they marched it was with purpose. Gandhi’s march to the sea was a protest against laws regarding salt. But you are learning and you are courageous, it is all anyone could ask or expect. Keep faith, your work is supported by the energy of the universe because it is for the good of all. It is a selfless act. Thank you
Amen … and well spoken. (I hope this response goes out to the right comment this time around.)
I so admire your perseverance and commitment. Thank you SO much for what you do!
“Remember that all the negative comments and hate are a part of the process. As are the repression and violence that you have and may face. Do not lose faith in your fellow wo/man. There are many people who have been indoctrinated to the culture of money and ‘myself before everyone else’ – you cannot blame these people who are locked into a system that encourages us to view each other as competition and a potential threat. Stay strong, stay non-violent and stay your path.”
I want to re-print the post here from Mahatma, it is beautifully stated, it is truth; we have been locked in a self-defeating system which is rigged against us because that is what works for the 1%.
Also, noticed a typo from my post: Crime and Punishment was written by Fyodor Dostoyevsky, if anyone is looking for it.
gradma…most of this is coming from supports that dont agree to what has happen to the OCCUPY
I agree with Oregon Grandma.
Those who criticize the protesters are just showing their fear of the coming change. Unlike the protesters these frightened minions are happy with the table scraps of left to them by the 1%. They don’t want to upset the apple cart or anger the ruling class because they are afraid of consequences!
These frightened little people are the “Step & fetch-its” for the very manipulators who think even less of them, than they themselves think of the protesters.
The egregious crimes committed by Wall St., the insurance companies and investment firms in the last few years go unanswered and unprosecuted because of spineless Americans with no “taste” for holding the criminals accountable for their actions.
“They are the Job Creators” they wail, but only those with jobs think so. The 14+million Americans who lost their jobs and careers to outsourcing, downsizing and outright pilfering of corporate coffers don’t have the same opinion of the bloated 1 % who claim to be holding the world on their shoulders.
There is NO confusion on the part of the protesters about the ‘POINT” of their protest, only the refusal of the press and other media to understand and convey the obvious message. Those in the media are afraid also, because they know they’ve been exposed as the overpaid, unprofessional hacks they are.
you sound just like the people you are talking about…FEAR
Yes – you are correct WE DO FEAR MARXISM. Everywhere that your Marxist ideas of taking from those who have worked hard and taken risks to deliver products and services that meet a societal want or need, and redistributing that income and wealth to those who often don’t contribute as much value to society ends in equality, all right: equal poverty for almost everyone. If you examine countries who have implemented Marxist policies, what you’ll find is that those with political influence become “more equal than the other animals” – but in a far less productive and affluent society. So, there will still be inequality – it’s just that the bulk of the population will be much poorer. This was definitely true in East Berlin before the wall came down: there were a bunch of ugly, run-down communist housing buildings that were constructed – with weeds growing in the yards, major disrepair, and families of four living in 600 square foot units. Yet, there were also mansions that had been built prior to WWII. The communist party leadership lived in the beautiful old houses, while everyone else lived equally in poverty in the tenements. If you Occupiers are so smart and good at organizing things, then why don’t YOU start a business rather than trying to tear down those who own and run businesses? If the bankers are screwing things up, then why don’t YOU apply for a bank charter and start your own in the way that you think it should be done? Why don’t YOU start a new technology business, or energy company? If the CEOs of these companies are such immoral people and not smart, as you claim, to boot, then surely you won’t have any trouble out-competing them. You can choose to over-pay your lower level employees relative to other market wages, if that suits you, and under-pay your CEO relative to the market as well. If we have such a fundamentally broken system, then surely you will succeed. Right??? Right??? I think the reality is that none of you are smart or ambitious enough to do so, you simply want someone else to go to that effort and then you want to steal income and wealth that they create.
Eric, you need to familiarize yourself with the events leading to the Bolshevik Revolution. When you write of “those who have worked hard and taken risks to deliver products and services that meet a societal want or need” you are forgetting the contribution of labor, infrastructure, government assistance? The Soviet Union failed for the exact reasons you mention but the flaw was not with Engels or Marx. The flaw was in the greed of those given the responsibility to see that the fruit of their labors was equally distributed. I would also recommend reading the Communist Manifesto, not the Cliff Notes version. Good luck to you.
Patrick, I’ve read the Communist Manifesto. I think you are the one who needs to do more reading on economics and marxism. I suspect you are the one who has probably read many books, but then allowed a far left wing professor to tell you what they mean, rather than think critically about the content yourself.
good statement by grandmother and the observer. i detest the hateful people out there who slander people that they are afraid of like Michael Moore. there are plenty of people out there who have made money in media and became stars like Madona for example. just because she has money i don’t feel i should get any of her money just because. i have followed Mr. moore since “Roger and Me” as I am a Steelworker I know what he is talking about. If he made money so be it! He has done a lot of great work in awareness of the greed mongers in our country. I said my piece!
Your movement is raising awareness, the most important thing we can possibly do at this time. The fight over wealth inequality is global; more than 200,000 farmers in India have comitted suicide in the past 15 years due to corporate takeover of land, sometimes as many as 8 or 9 suicides per day. Many of these multinational corporations are based in America and recieve taxpayer subsidies. As serf/tenants of the corporations many of these farmer/families must work 20 hours a day and still live in abject poverty, no running water, no indoor plumbing. This is momentous work you are doing, great job Occupy!
Michael Moore is a lying, despicable, fat hypocrite. If he’s so worried about wealth redistribution – then why not ask him to donate HIS money to your cause. Moore is estimated to have a net worth of $50 million. Soros is estimated to have a net worth of $22 Billion. It is estimated that worldwide there have been about 60,000 people who have attended Occupy events. Between Michael Moore and George Soros, if they simply both gave just 30% of their net worths to every person who has been attending Occupy events, each of you would get $110,250. Surely Michael Moore could survive on $35 million, and Soros could survive on $15 billion? So, if they believe so much in your cause – why shouldn’t they spread the wealth? Have Moore or Soros given you individually any money? Why not? Can’t you do something better than Moore and Soros can with $110,250 a piece. Moore certainly doesn’t need any more food for a while.
Yesterday 10-31 Mr. Moore visited Occupy Portland. He was informed during the meeting that the City of Portland had removed toilet facilities and were now charging people for indecent exposure if they needed to urinate or defecate. He expressed concern about this important health issue. This morning 11-01 ten toilet units arrived at the occupation, anonymously. Do the math.
so you are the jerk with a camera badgering Michael Moore as he walked out. I heard every word you said and I think you are a plant … period!
Wrong, FM – I wasn’t the guy in the crowd who was legitimately questioning Michael Moore. Like me, though, he obviously has better critical thinking skills than you Occupiers since he came up with the same type of critique of the big fat 1%er Michael Moore. Yet, this doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out: Michael Moore is a wealthy film maker. Google “Michael Moore Net Worth” and you can easily get the estimated $50 million net worth that the fat one has. Even if Moore was only making a return of 2.5% on his net worth that would result in annual income of $1,250,000 per year – not to mention his income for his books, new movies, speaking engagements, etc. He’s not just part of the 1% – he’s closer to being in the top 0.01%. Yet, he has marxist views like you – but doesn’t want to redistribute his own wealth – he only wants others to have to give up their wealth. There’s nothing to prevent Moore from giving all of you $40 million of his net worth. $10 million would buy him a whole lifetime of cheeseburgers.
Don’t confuse those who are artistic entrepreneurs who made their millions honestly by pointing out the atrocities of Banks, the Military Industrial Complex, and the NEO CONS.. He’s not perfect, he did support Obama. But, I wouldn’t put him as far down as Soros..
You are disgusting … cheeseburgers are not part of my diet. I am more of a vegetarian due to my respect towards animals. Where did you get this number of .01%? When you use that number to multiply a number you move the decimal point over two places to the left. That gives a really small number from a big number. So are you saying that Michael Moore just joined the ranks of the super rich. They are a very exclusive club and loath the word inclusive. Did you watch the established stars wring their faces in disgust when Mr. Moore won his Oscar and then after his final comment. That blond woman’s face said it all what the establishment thinks of the newcomer Mr. Moore. Though I wish I had time to do research like you but I am just a stream of conscious writer. That young blond starlet’s name escapes me too.
NO JUST PART OF THE LIVESTRAM CREW…THEY ARE REALLY A GROUP OF NUTS THAT HURT THIS MOVEMENT MORE THEN ANY ONE
Your “plant” comment is funny. I’ve been accused of being that too.
I guess anyone that has their own thought (that differs from your Occupation mob mindset) is a ‘plant’.
the world has experienced many revolutions over the past few hundred years … the french revolution, the american revolution, the russian revolution, the cultural revolution
is the world any more free as a result?
Dear God YES! The march of freedom is a slow process from the age of despots and kings to the ability to speak without fear. The world is so much better off than the feudal ages. The people have risen over the centuries to become the force of change for the planet.
Any chance the livestream could be aimed at the people who are actually talking, instead of a random sidewalk shot?
these guys are clowns most of the time they are making fun of people walking by…livestream team needs to go
The people that run the GA are rude and very scared people..Please replace them with new people they do not know how to run meetings. You need changes there you can tell by the way nobody goes anymore..And make it so fuck is not every other word PLEASE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What is a “reactionary?”
A reactionary is someone who fears the light of true revolution because it reminds them of the eternal light within that has near-died. They know that their small, alienated self with which they identify — the one that is bound to a dying Empire — is also mortal. So they cling desperately to the slogans and ideologies of the dying Empire in hopes that this new appearance of an ancient light will be snuffed out…and they can go back to sleep.
What is “revolution”?
When people work together cooperatively, free of domination, that is revolution.
When people see, by looking into each other’s eyes, the universal yearning for peace, freedom, justice and accountability, that is revolution.
When people feel gratitude for each other’s unique gifts, that is revolution.
When people have each other’s backs in the face of the scary crap that the Empire unleashes, that is revolution.
When people learn to respect themselves enough to take care of the home planet, that is revolution.
When people learn that even the most scary “other” is still a fragile human being in need of the same air, water, sustenance, and love (and that includes health care!), that is revolution.
When people are no longer willing to deaden their souls in exchange for a shallow image of success, that is revolution.
When people decide that the time is NOW, that is revolution.
“One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly.”
We have filled under the state the name OCCUPY PORTLAND…you guys will be served soon to stop using the OCCUPY name or be sued…we will take this movement back for the stupid and slow minded and livestream will be open to true free speech not close to all the censorship like it is now…
Good luck with that. The Term Occupy is public domain and can not be taken over for corporate use.
The Tea Party loves you for what you have done BTW.
You must have money to throw away if you are trying to pull this.
The nightly ga is entertaining to say the least and illustrates how irrational this group of lazy misfits who resent anyone who works and acquires wealth and demands redistribution to them.
I can promise you that their demands will NEVER come to pass…..
I’m watching and laughing….
Not with an attitude like that. You are not helping, by the way… which makes you part of the problem we are trying to change. Either STFU and get out of the way or pitch in and help. Needless bitching is needless.
Why do you shut people down when they talk in the ga..Freedom of speech…Wow you people running this GA are control freaks..JUst terrible…
There is a process. If you cannot follow it and speak when it is your turn, the issue is with you and not with the GA. Maybe check yourself and learn to take your turn like they taught you in kindergarten…
Here’s the thing, eric, in order to be literate one must actually read literature. It’s not enough to simply know the alphabet and spew epithets against people you disagree with. I don’t see anyone agitating for Marxism, per se. I see people who want a fair and equitable system, which is not the case when a few have so much and so many have so little. Perhaps a review of Les Miserables would be helpful because it demonstrates how little has changed since the French Revolution. The story, which takes place after the revolution, is about a man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his starving family and goes to prison for twenty years. Yet, all the while the wealthy bribe politicians to create a judicial system in which the laws make their far more egregious theft legal; much like what we have now. For instance, bankers selling billions of dollars of junk falsely rated as ‘AAA’ to investors, yet never being accused of a crime, never being held accountable or having to pay for their theft, yet if you stole a candy bar, you would go to jail. This is due partly to the fact that the wealthy do not have a conscience nor any concept of what poverty is and partly owed to the fact that they think they are above the law. If you paid one dollar in tax last year, you paid more than Wells Fargo and GE combined. You believe that power is accrued due to hard work and intelligence, but that is just a story told to you by the media. Power is mostly accrued due to luck and opportunity, along with a relatively small amount of work or intelligence. Donald Trump is proof positive that it does not take brains to make money; but even if power did accrue from such qualities, why should that exempt these more fortunate people from assisting the less fortunate among us? Opportunity doesn’t occur in a vacuum, eric, it requires infrastructure and that infrastructure must be paid for and maintained. It’s only fair and even obvious that those who benefit the most from the opportunity provided by this infrastructure should pay the most to maintain said infrastructure. That’s not Marxism, eric, it’s Capitalism, regulated Capitalism. Patrick is right, the problem is greed which seems to occur with every system, as you pointed out, which is why we need to regulate our Capitalism in order to reign in the greed and keep the more powerful from exploiting the less powerful. We don’t really even have true capitalism, as you seem to think, because according to true capitalism the banks would have been allowed to simply fail; but due to lack of federal oversight banks were allowed to become ‘too big to fail’, hence the need for anti-trust laws. What we actually have is corporate socialism: banks get federal bailouts and homeowners get nothing, business gets taxpayer subsidies while eliminating jobs at home by building factories overseas. So, I would say that your fear of Marxism is simply your imagination running away with you, your over-active imagination might benefit with reading some good literature. The only thing being requested as far as I can see is simply social justice due to out of control greed.
“Power is mostly accrued due to luck and opportunity, along with a relatively small amount of work or intelligence.”
Not to mention violent aggression and a deficiency of conscience.
Your arrogance is astounding. I probably read Les Miserable while you were still in diapers.
……..Actually, I should have said “corporations do not have a conscience”…………….sorry for that mistake
Poor eric, you misinformed, maladjusted sociopath.
Sorry your Cold War era nightmares are keeping you up at night,
Do you really expect anyone to take your domino theory babbling seriously?
No one wants to take anything away from anyone and give it to anyone else. We just want Corporate Socialism to end. We want the “Rich and Corporate interests” to stop
sucking the life out of the rest of us.
Corporations need to pay taxes for the privilege of living and operating in this country.
The so called Rich need to pay taxes to support the government they require to protect them from “terrorists and communists and socialists” who are tired of paying their way for them. If there is anyone standing around with their hands out it’s the corporations and “Rich elite” who deem themselves to be above the rest of us.
Your contention that the middle class doesn’t work hard enough to get ahead is as empty as your head. It is a lie and requires no justification!
The crimes perpetrated on the American people by the banks and investment firms, the corporate interests who offshore jobs (to the biggest communist cauldron of all—CHINA) at the expense of their own countries national security, these are the scum who deserve your misconstrued wrath and disgust. The very people and corporate entities that undermine the safety and integrity of the American Nation for their selfish profit are unfit to be called Americans, or to claim any respect or support from American citizens.
Somebody is lying to you eric, someone is not telling you the truth about how the business world really works in this country eric—who do you think it is?
When Banks try to repossess homes they don’t even own, do you question that eric?
When investment firms get caught red-handed stealing billions of dollars of investor’s money, do you question that eric?
When 58,000 factories get shut down and 14 million American workers are laid off creating one of the deepest recessions and the greatest transfers of wealth in history to the top 2% of the country, do you question that eric ?
Do you really think that (OWS) or the Occupy Portland Movement are actually about something so mundane as your irrational fears of Marxism? Your misplaced accusations of the malfeasance of the poor against the upper classes (that wouldn’t be you by the way) is sophomoric and grossly unsubstantiated.
The scum at the top, and that is where you always find the scum, at the top, need to reinvest their wealth in American jobs and America in general or get the fuck out of this country and stop claiming to be Americans!
Your support of corporate subsidies, corporate welfare, and corporate tax breaks, corporate funding of political slush funds and corporate manipulation of politics in general, belie your claim to anti-socialist and Marxist doctrine. You in fact support socialism to the extreme and live in denial while disparaging true Americans.
You have no clue what you’re talking about or my position. I DO support the elimination of ALL government subsidies. If I had my way there would not have been ANY bailouts for ANY companies: not the banks or GM. Sure we would have probably seen a more dramatic decline in our economy but it would have been far shorter and rebounded much more quickly. I don’t believe in agricultural subsidies – particularly those for bio-fuel that are leading to dramatic increases in the price of food-grade corn resulting in starvation throughout the world. I don’t believe in government funding of Fannie & Freddie. I don’t think the US should be providing subsidies or loans to any oil or energy companies (including “green” companies like Solyndra). It is GOVERNMENT involvement in the economy that IS the problem, not the companies themselves. That’s not to say that some companies and their executives don’t ever do anything wrong – but when they do, let them pay the consequences. If their business is failing, let them fail, don’t bail them out. If they’ve broken the law then prosecute them. However, the root of the recession and why we have had such an anemic recovery is NOT largely because of the greed of the 1%, it’s because of too much government – particularly their involvement with Fannie & Freddie, and the uncertainty they have created for business through the tax code and putting through 81,000 pages of regulations last year alone from such poorly designed laws as Dodd-Frank and Obamacare. Until government policy becomes stable and reverts to being less regulatory, businesses won’t hire or make capital investments – when there is dramatic change and future uncertainty about what the rules will be, businesses will choose to do nothing. Unfortunately, this turns into a downward spiral, because with the current crop of politicians if the businesses do nothing then the economy further declines and the pols think they need to tinker with it more by increasing taxes and adding more regulations, but that only makes businesses tighten their purse strings more, and so the downward spiral continues. The policies that most of you Occupiers seem to favor are exactly the types of policies that Greece has implemented. How’s the whole Greece socialist/marxist model working out? Europe is a mess – they were able to hold things together for a long time, but now they are imploding under their social entitlements burden with low levels of productivity.
You outsourcing comments are based on ignorance of basic economics. We live in a global economy now. Goods and services are produced where they can be created profitably. You decry the offshoring of jobs, yet you personally benefit from the cheap labor overseas. Unless you are a highly unusual person look around at all of the products you buy and consume, and there’s a good chance that many of those products you chose to buy are based partly on price. You’ll buy the $10 tee shirt that can’t be made in the US at a cost that allows it to be sold for $10. Would you pay $30 for an identical tee shirt just because it was made in the US rather than in China? Unless you are prepared to pay much higher prices for only locally produced goods AND you earn the money necessary (rather than have it given to you), then I have no respect for your complaints against offshoring. You seem to think that corporations make exorbitant profits, but for most companies that simply isn’t true. A 10% net margin is pretty common for a large company – in other words, if they sell a product for $100, they may get to keep $10 which will be either reinvested in the company or paid out as dividends to stockholders (which includes to the millions of poor and middle class people who have 401ks). I stand by my comments that Occupy is a Marxist movement and is anti-American. I’m thankful that Obama has provided so much vocal support for your group, because the rest of us can use this to clearly demonstrate how out-of-touch Obama is with reality, and it will surely help to get the worst President in US history defeated next November.
Why did you not cover the march for bank transfer day,,But you cover dancing,,,Wow……………
THIS MOVEMENT IS DONE…LOL..I TOLD YOU SO…NAT!!!…Lets see those bums keep things going when all outside help has stopped and it almost has…you all can thank LIVESTREAM team…they have done more damage to this movement with there lies and rumors and censorship all threw out the movement…they are scared little childern and very slow minded and you lesson to them and not true supporters…you lose!
you sure told me. man, changed my whole shit around i wont lie. i’m a new man now….
DEATH from OVERDOSE in Vancouver OCCUPY camp…You few have taken a movement that had life and reason and turned it into a BIG DRUG PARTY full of crake heads and drunk bums…You have lost most all support from any outside real people and you’re answer to this is…WHO CARES????…LOL…Silly lost stupid souls…get a clue that the internet is not the real world…i see NAT has jump ship…i knew that loser would not last…did he take all the equipment that isnt his?
If anything the movement draws attention to these very real problems in our society. How did they become? Your “i told you so” stance is negated by the fact that drugs are everywhere… addicts are everywhere… homeless are everywhere… These people are no better that you or I. In fact these people are hurting so much that it makes me question the worth of those who ridicule them. It seems to me that you may be exhibiting the same behaviors towards others as the 1% have towards you. I hope you think about your position and look for a better way to voice your frustration about a problem that is far to complex for the ideas of the few. To me 1% is not about just wealth, its about control and those whom think they have the answers for how to control.
i am def still around. sry- i have a hard time seeing all the paces you troll. dont worry though- i got you.
OWS AT WHITE HOUSE AND WHAT HAS PORTLAND DONE TODAY…HEY DANCE AT SHRUNK PLAZA AND DINNER FOR THE HOMELESS AT CAMP…WAKE UP PORTLAND
LOL…You have a group of police officers that has taken over you’re LIVESTREAM and they are telling every one every thing is just great…lol….
sam adams you need to stop this befor some one gets killed..STOP THIS MADNESS NOW..THIS IS NO OCCUPY MOVEMENT ITS A MURDER GETTING READY TO HAPPEN!!!!!…You little HILTER youth on LIVESTREAM need to put down the kool aid and start to read about what all other sites and lots on this site are saying about you and this so called movement…is it going to take some one dieing to get you to care??????????..BOCOTT LIVESTREAM AT ITS TEAM OF HILTER YOUTH NUTS
Someone is bound to die, I’m sure, but I hope that it’s on a night when there is a lot of police activity because if the cops kill them, then it’s publicity. If the cops are a few meters away when someone dies, then it’s publicity. People die every day, so shut the fuck up.
General Assembly is taking steps to make this camp safer, but they are still in the early stages of discussion. DON’T DIE UNTIL *AFTER* THE VOTE! If anyone dies, in any way, for any reason, it will be highly publicized and criticized and used as an example for the entire camp, then the city, then the movement.
So, campers, brothers, sisters…I beg of you…if you see someone die, hand them a fucking sign so they can OD and we can pretend that it’s for a cause. If you think someone might OD or get stabbed,then just go ahead and write out a sign for them to hold when the media arrives. Better yet, drag the body a few blocks away from camp and leave the sign over their face. “I was shanked for tripping over a tarp while digging in my coat for a cigarette, my killer is a pretty cool guy because I love my nonviolent neighbors.” That would make national news, I’m sure. I will buy you a fucking carton of smokes if you can accurately predict a death and write it out with a sharpie.
NOW LIVESTREAM and the HILTLER right have DECIDED them self to bann any one from all OCCUPY forums THAT disagrees with them…IS THIS FREE SPEECH?…This movement is dead…they are the only ones that dont know it…lots of interenet infor to read…not one agrees with this movement… THE UNION IS CALLING FOR A BOYCOTT OF THE HOMELESSS SOUP KITCHEN …GIVE NO SUPPORT OF MONEY OR FOOD…THIS IS NOT THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT..DO NOT SUPPORT IT
OregonGrowersUnion is not part of occupy portland. His organization does not exist. He is posting from Germanstown Maryland. He is a known troll who has been banned from our livestream, our forums, and many of our FB pages. Plz do not believe any of the lies he constantly tells.
boring troll is boring.
I am in total agreement with OregongrowersUNION! Occupy Portland needs to be shut down! I am sick of walking by the gross camp to get to my work! I don’t feel safe anymore, there are people running around in masks (you people are sick)! Occupy Portland is doing nothing but creating a bum and druggy village!
Ever think you’re a layoff away from joining us?
We are starting a phone calling campain FIRST to all UNIONS that have supported this circus…We will talk to them and ask that all support be pulled, we have 1000s of emails and lots of forum post showing little to no support of this soup kitchen…we want this stopped befor some one gets killed…we will also be calling the Mayor..Sherrif..Police..City Counsel…Governor..Merchants…Hotels in the area…To ask that the OCCUPY soup kitchen be removed
the oregon growers association is a real thing, and OGU has been banned form their website as well. He does not represent any real union, he has no union contacts, it is all a lie. this person and their posts should be removed imo.
getting scared nat???some one showing the world what is really behind the bullshit you spread…WHERE IS THE MONEY NATHAN…
ALL NON/OCCUPYERS…be at the bagdad silent auction…we will march to stop this fund raiser..KICK THE OCCUPYERS OUT OF THE PARK…is putting this on..they have asked for all its face book people to come to the silent auction and shut it down …we will chain are self to the door so no one can enter…we also will have people inside to disrupt the auction…lets show these hosers how to protest…every one come to close down the auction
OccupyGrowersUnion is not part of occupy portland. His organization does not exist. He is posting from Germanstown Maryland. He is a known troll who has been banned from our livestream, our forums, and many of our FB pages. Plz do not believe any of the lies he constantly tells.
As a result of living in maryland, he will not show up in person no matter how many times he says otherwise.
i meant oregongrowersunion. i apologize.
Just got off the phone with the MAYOR….This will be ending soon was his words…
oregongrowers union i mean. sry.
More LIES being spead by HILTER livestream…these few little boys have done nothing for this movement but censor the site and only allow the view of HILTER on…STOP CENSORSHIP NOW LIVESTREAM….You cant hide this stuff you guys are doing any longer the internet has a way of getting the truth out…WHERE IS THE MONET NAT…NATHAN has taken in large sums of money for OCCUPY and none has been turned in…WHERE IS THE MONEY NAT?
i used it to buy babies. to eat. im an ogre.
OGU, seriously, get a life already. No one cares about the drivel you post on here, it’s just an annoying eyesore. If you want to get together with fellow non-supporters, why are you doing it in HERE. Your logic makes as much sense as your posts. We already know that you have been banned from multiple other boards for the same obnoxious b.s. I’m not saying this to get into an argument with you since I know you’d enjoy that, I just really feel sorry for you that you have so much time on your hands and hate in your heart that you channel it into being disruptive rather than productive.
KAT I SEE YOU 25/7 ON THE CHAT…GET A LIFE KAT…NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ON HERE OR ON LIVESTREAM WHERE ALL 4 OF YOU TALK BACK AND FORTH SAYING HOW GREAT YOU 4 ARE AND HOW YOU DO SO MUCH FOR THIS MOVEMENT…ALL FROM THE INTERNET AND YOUR WARM HOME…LOL.JUST GO AWAY NAT..NO ONE LIKES YOU..
Just got o0ff the pohne to the person that gives out all permits…JIM…power is now off in camp and will not be turned back on…you can thank LIVESTREAM AND its HITLER YOUTH
more lies straight out of germanstown maryland. ty OGU for your continued efforts to bring OPDX national coverage!
Listen, asshole… you are a liar. You live in Maryland and have nothing to do with Occupy other than to run your fucking mouth over and over again.
TO THE MODERATOR: I will be proposing a proposal at GA tonight that you should be removed from power at the website. If you cannot police it so that the obvious trolls are excluded, someone should step up to do the job that you are failing at. Loki… whatever your name is… I love free speech. This has gone beyond free speech and is hate talk and misinformation. Do your job or expect to have someone replace you who will. Thank you.
troll..the GA HATES YOU GUYS
Thank you little HILTER YOUTH…now go away this is a open and free speech site…go off to your censorship site where only your view is out…lol…scared little boy…just go away…lol..THIS is how livestream works…They try and scare you first…then discredit you…then they lie about you…then they just censor you…thats all they have…
HILTER YOUTH??? What is that?
Your constant posting here has made you look silly. Any credibility you MIGHT have had has been lost with your spamming of this board. You have revealed yourself to be an instigator who can not be trusted or respected. Good job!
livestream troll..stop the censorship now
so you say…at least here you have the right to say it…STOP CENSORSHIP LIVESTREAM
i think you may not understand what “censorship” means….
Porland Oregon Livestream has engaged in several acts violation of freedom of speech. First, the replay of Oakland livestream was taken down when chatter commented that homeless man was shot in the face in video. Also, certain citizens chat comments were filtered out NAZI style censorship as the portland live chat aired on the global revolution website.
Please notice that the Oakland area has generated a crowd large enough to close down the fourth largest port on the west coast and cost the banking community four million dollars. At the same time a separate crowd entertained police in the streets. Oakland then shut down two BART transit stations in retaliation for the closure of the transit system that prevented two crowds from joining together on October 26th; at the same time, a separate crowd shut down Bank of America on California street.
Meanwhile, what has come out of the Portland Occupy movement? Really? If the human microphone can not generate a crowd and communicate with a crowd then what is the effectiveness of whatever you have going on in Portland really?
I propose all electronic mics get banned and human microphone only.
no one from occupy portland controls occupy global channels. We are not responsible for anything they do on their channel.
LIES…LIES…LIES…LIES…LIES…NATHAN open up all livestream sites and stop the censorship…where is the money you have taken in Nathan???…pay your rent this month?while the homeless keep camp up …lol…you never stay in camp ???why???..you are a thief…two face ..that spreads lies and rummors…they leave my lost up because they hate you and youR HILTER YOUTH
rofl? i only have basic mods privs on our channel. i didnt even have them when you got banned. keep trying.
Livestream is no longer tolerable due to constant replay of commercials. Also, several acts of censorship have taken place such as not showing citizen chatter comments on live global stream, also, livestream had taken down the replay of Oakland protest that showed homeless man shot in the face by police. A new message limit function slows down the chat and limits the number of people that can participate. If you donate money to livestream, ask yourself if you tolerate censorship. The Denver protest feeds were also shut off on livestream at the moment that cops pulled out rifles.
We must insist on freedom of speech in real time but until the movement can build the infrastructure to broadcast internet realtime without government censorship interference, then please insist on human mic only and ban electronic microphones from your movement because electronic microphones allow a one man show and do not convey how much a group trusts a certain speaker.
the portland live stream channel is commercial free. We do not control any other channel. wherever you are watching (global or otherwise) that has commercials, our organization is not responsible for.
more lies…from nat the HILTER on livestream…stop the censorship on livestream nat…you are just like them…STOP CENSORSHIP NOW!!!!!
LIVESTREAM has to go…this group of roug OCCUPYERS have become more then a joke to this movement…they have become a danger…they have to go…BOYCOTT LIVESTREAM OCCUPY AND CENSORSHIP
Seriously all who are in the occupy movement please look at yourselves. I agree with what your proposing but to use it as an excuse to prevent others from getting to wor, vandalising parks nd saying your the major percentage is innappropriate when I’m to busy at work occuping a job!!! how about this take your unemployed selves grab some garbage bags and occupy a garbage clean up, or organize a free tutoring session for undereducated individuals, or english classes for those who dont know how, or how about volunteer at shelters and getting people off the streets instead of encouraging them!!! seriously just get a job and help pay taxes that might help!!!
there are people with MAs and BAs who can’t find work right now.. the situation is dire right now. so just telling people to go get a job is ignorant.
NOW the HILTER YOUTH (livestream)is forming letters to be set to the mayor with out agreement of the GA…WHAT???Is this now OCCUPY LIVESTREAM and there own little agenda…lol..lol..WHY THE CENSORSHIP ON ALL LIVESTREAM SITES???WHY LIVESTREAM???..What is happening t0 all the money livestram peeps take in…Nathan where is all the money?
you mean the money that was donated for livestream equipment? Risepdx is using it to buy livestream equipment. i dont touch money. at all.
man, you are batting about 0 today arent you?
nO THE $2500 THE union GAVE YOU TO GET EQUIPMENT YOU NEVER GOT???Where is the money nat???isnt this what the banning me is all about…you thief
first off. the “union” is fictional. there is no such organization as oregon growers union.
second- no money was ever donated from said fictional organization.
3rd – i have never been, nor will i ever be in charge of or a part of any finance.
thanks for again making an ass out of yourself.
4th- i never banned you. that happened b4 i even had the ability to ban people.
Just to let NATHAN know…his talking about swinging the hammer on chat yesterday(when a police car has been damaged with a hammer) and telling people he has made fire bombs as a child(TOLD ON CHAT TODAY AND RECORDED) has been turned over to the police…i am sure they will be wanting to talk to you about putting this up on the internet and on LIVESTREAM…
or i can put it right here. i made a comment about swinging the “hammer” ie: the banhammer, a popular internet reference. I also spoke about how when i was like 16 (in another state) i tried and failed to make a moltav cocktail with my friends. it bounced off a tree and came straight back at me.
there you go OGU- have them come take me away
ps- they already arrested the hammer guy. man…. i feel like i should help you troll me. you are rly bad at it.
Just want the truth to be out(THANKS FOR THE HELP)KFL…not like you and the CENSORSHIP LIVESTREAM
PORTLAND POLICE…If you are reading this you need to get to that camp and send in bomb sniffing dogs.. camp is get ready the police are coming is what every one is saying and now you have a group that feel they have a little power..mix in drugs..drink..young street hoods and gangs…you have one hell of a mess starting and its getting worse…DO SOME THING…
BY BY nathan…the lights are about to be turned on for all to see how you work…and you will run under the counter just like all CROCKROACHES…by by nat
There is no growers union in Oregon been here 60 years no such thing..The growers hire illegals so why would they ever use a union..When I was a kid did picking to help support my family many of us in portland did..Maybe we do need a growers union..Good woking wages….
You guys have till SUNDAY…now is the time to think>?..Not be scared little kids..We at the UNION are planning a new OCCUPY when we have back LIVESTREAM and the OLD occupy movement in controll…NAT will see how much the UNION is involved in this movement and how much they are…we have the money and know how…they have censorship and fear..lets see who the real OCCUPY will follow…by by nat..you HILTER YOUTH
I see LIVESTRAEM and its HILTER YOUTH…is getting every one all jacked up to RIOT…is this what the real OCCUPY is all about???…CENSORSHIP…LIES…DRUGS..DRINKING…PARTY…BOMBS…?????…stop LIVESTREAM..STOP THE RIOT THEY ARE STARTING…The world is watching Portland!
I think I am going to get out of my house and join ya Downtown.
If any real OCCUPYERS left on this site…We are forming a work party Sat night to help downtown biz board up windows?
LIVESTREAM TEAM STOP THE MADNESS…STOP THE LIES…STOP JACKING THE PEOPLE UP FOR WAR…This is not what OCCUPY is about..it is a movement of peace and wall street…LIVESTREAM HAS BECOME NO VOICE OF ANY OCCUPY MOVEMENT ANY LONGER..It is nothing but a rouge group of hoods looking to start a RIOT…THE UNION CALLS FOR THE PEACEFULL DISMATTLEING OF THE CAMP SAT…Befor the deadline..Lets show them who OCCUPY really is!!!!CLOSE THE CAMP…
good luck with that.
no luck nat…the camp is closing…stop the madness nut case…put down the kool aid its over stupid
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Time for the real 99% to take back our parks from the bottom 1% known as Occupy Portland!
Here is the solution: Pack up your tents, clean up your area, and go home! And I am part of the 99% who has to work for living!
Crunch Time! Time to Rock & Roll. Time for the real playayz Unite!!!
Stay the course Portland your effort’s will be rewarded!!!
HAPPY VETERANS DAY…..Nice sunny day to move, any one need help packing?..The OCCUPY MOVEMENT is not over, just the homeless soup kitchen part of it is done. Not back to OCCUPY WALLSTREET..by by nat and livestream you will be gone just as soon as the soup kitchen is gone, let the real Occupy do this you guys just messed it all up.
A proposal for a Sustainable Occupation of Portland:
An open letter to Mayor Sam Adams, the people of the Occupy Movement who are encamped in Portland, the rest of the Portland Occupy Movement, and the people of Portland.
There is a way to lawfully and peacefully continue the occupation without the negative impacts on the city.
I respectfully submit the following suggestion for a peaceful sustainable occupation of my city as a 30+ year resident of the city, a veteran, a taxpayer, a voter, a husband, a father, a grandfather, and a life-long member of the 99%.
As Mayor Adams stated in yesterday’s press conference, the Portland Occupy Movement needs to evolve. The challenge is to stay on message (that the imbalance of wealth and accompanying power is destroying our democracy and our economy, and endangering the peoples of the earth) while using our legal rights of freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of speech.
We could provide a continuous public presence and witness to the goal of returning our democracy to the people by gathering groups of people at a designated location to stand and discuss the problems that we face and how to solve them. This discussion would go on continuously day and night and would be sustained by people leaving after a four hour shift and being replaced by new volunteers. This way we will challenge the press to cover this unusual commitment to addressing the problems that face us and deal with the issues discussed and see if they can see beyond their focus on the lawbreaking, the homeless, the addicted, and the violent that were attracted to the encampment.
Gathering of citizens to discuss their mutual interests at any hour (if each citizen stays for no more than four hours at a time) does not require the logistics of food and sanitary facilities and should not produce litter. It would not attract the homeless looking for a meal or a place to sleep. It would not attract drug dealing and use any more than any other gathering of people. It would only need minimal police presence.
This plan does require organization, but the tools of the web, twitter, face book and the skills that the people in the occupy movement have developed can address the scheduling of volunteers to continue the conversation. Some of the resources needed to support the encampment could go to subsidizing TriMet tickets for volunteers who would need help in transporting themselves to the occupation site.
This ongoing discussion would allow Portland to respond and volunteers to take part and make the occupation available to those who can participate for four hours at a time, but for reasons of health, job, family, or other obligations, could not or would not join an encampment. I’m sure that most of the 10,000 of us that marched in October at the start of the Portland Occupation would support the continuing message that we want our democracy back and would be willing to commit four more hours to the cause on some regular basis.
In addition I would like to see the general assembly meet at this same location on a regular basis (weekly?) so that all may participate and move the discussion forward.
I suggest that the Mayor’s office discuss how the city could support this kind of citizen action and that the general assembly and committees of the Occupy Movement discuss how this model of sustainable occupation could further the movement. The Mayor’s office and the Movement may want to find a way together so that the Occupation is not disrupted during the transition from encampment to continuous discussions.
As a start, I suggest that the Occupy movement with help from the city and the press advertise the location and provide guidelines of behavior for the discussions and have sign ups for time slots (24/7). To help in continuous discussions the four hour watches should be staggered at two hour intervals. As a start I would ask for 20 volunteers to person each four hour watch.
As a supporter of an non-violent Occupy Movement, it is my hope that the Mayor and the people in Occupation of Portland will agree to a transition like this and insure that this is a peaceful and successful transition.
From a union supporter, and woman veteran.
This is a great idea! How I hope Occupy responds with this kind of spirit at tonight’s eviction. The camp does not represent the 99%.
This kind of evolution would open opportunities for involvement for many more of your supporters, and that is what is needed for Occupy to survive.
I belong to a union that is in solidarity with the movement. People in my workplace talk about its merits daily. We want to be more involved, but when we walk past the encampment on our way to work every morning we see dark corners, not a safe place to go to and participate in bringing change to our nation.
Please act in love tonight. The last thing we want to see is a great movement destroyed by its own narrow-mindedness.
Remember, law enforcement people are our neighbors, our family members and friends. Many of them support your message. We the people have asked them to keep us all safe, and the encampment is not safe.
EVOLVE in PEACE!
I think this is a good idea! Other things could be done as well to continue this movement, so that it keeps evolving in response to what is happening in Portland and the rest of the country.
I think this is a great idea!! Time to take Occupy to the next level.
I hope the movement finds focus due to this as opposed to more divergence. It’s great to see how many ignorant, silly people are paying attention and providing their ‘feedback’! You guys must be living somewhere else where you’re not paying tons of interest, medical expenses to stay healthy, etc.. Enjoy your world bathing in self-absorbed ignorance.
I want my children to live without debt, with every safety measure and medical precaution available to them. I want them to see how Americans behave and not wonder why we all appear to hate each other or assume everyone is out to only get theirs… This movement is amazing. Inspired, and necessary. We the people.
Right on! I WORK for a company that provides interpreter services for those that might not have an understanding when they walk into a hospital. Ohhh, evil corporations! Fools!
Why would you post a video with David Icke as the narrator?
THE UNION I BELONG TO IS BEHIND YOU ALL..BIGGEST IN THE STATE..WE HAD HOMELESS AND DRUG ADDICT PROBLEM THERE BEFORE YA SAT UP CAMP..ITS JUST THEY WERE ALL IN ONE SPOT SO GAVE IT SPOTLIGHT..AND THAT PISSED PEOPLE OFF..BECAUSE IT SHOWS HOW PORTLAND OREGON DOES NOTHING FOR THE HOMELESS AND MENTALLY ILL..SAD BUT TRUE….
Here comes the BEATDOWN assholes! You will have proven nothing but getting arrested and getting your faces smashed. It is REALLY worth it. In my mind the REAL Occupiers left a long time ago and their point was well-taken and valid. Letting a bunch of anarcho-shitstains make this a physical war is the stupidest thing the “movement” could do to lose credibility. Take the “fight” to higher places, people. The city does not want to harm you, but we will ALL suffer for the self-righteous and ill-informed actions of those with nothing better to do and no committment to the principles that motivated the movement in the first place. To those who wish to violate the peaceful intentions, I wish you the worst. May you forever pay for a moment of ignorance, hate and misguided violence. I do not support you and I hope you suffer deeply. Let the carnage begin, fucktards!
I have an idea for the community outreach potluck. We all know we need to draw in as many people as possible. We need numbers and support. We should use the big screen and projector to show the Oregon Ducks football game. Set it up at Terry Schrunk Plaza, right where the GA’s are held. It would be the perfect spot. We have thousands of die hard Ducks fans in this city. Lets get them involved. They can support us and the Ducks at the same time. It is a very important game for football fans. A friend who supports the Occupation said he is not coming because he does not want to miss this game. It starts at 5:00 PM on Saturday, same time as the potluck. The ducks are ranked 7, and they are playing the number #4 ranked Stanford. I think showing the game will add to the draw of the potluck. We should get the ball rolling on this soon so we can advertise.
Thank you for all you folks are doing.
Just saw video discouraging reports of sexual assault.
Go ahead and set women’s issues back 100 years for your cause.
Getting more disillusioned by the minute.
on our livestream?
How many dop you want to die nat so you can be mr cool guy…nat you are a nat…give it up…your forums are empty…only like 5 on chat…and no one hear…where is all the suppoer nat?…no place thats where…only you few nobodys left…the moverment has moved on…lol
thank you for continually raising awareness for our movement OGU.
have fun having the runs all night…lol…exlax soup…lol..
local government is the most responsive, most democratic type of government we have in this country.
what does picking a fight with local authorities over a park have to do with your goals?
I am not sure how effective these local occupies can ever be. It may be much more effective for all the groups to gather in Washington DC where the real problems exist. This is the approach used in the 60s for successful anti-war rallies. A gathering of several hundred thousand would gather massive attention.
Get out of portland. You are ruining our beautiful town that hard working citizens bilt. You guys have no idea what ur protesting anymore. Finally ur time is done goooodbye trash!
Get out of our city you disgusting law breaking scum!
I have been reading on other sites that…EXLAX SOUP..will be served at todays potluck…lol…this will be so funny to watch at about 9pm….lolololo9l
I support OCCUPY HOOTERS!
As for the rent-a-mob in the park, send in the bulldozers!
GET OUT, GET OUT, GET OUT. You fools are going down tonight.
look the cool kids are throwing a party
angryman you are a f**king idiot. Instead of ranting here you need to go pull the stick out of your fat @$s.
you guys rock! Texas is standing with you guys!
The people unite!
instead of begging for a truck with a lift gate, these protesters should be walking armloads of tents to the nearest dumpster
Sam Adams I fully support you … I’m sure many Portlanders feel the same way.
I’m sure you weren’t supporting Mayor Adams when you were out there trying to get signatures to recall him.
are you omniscient, if so you are needed at the riot not here online
Mayor Adams is a coward and a stooge for the 1%. These are our children, out families, our friends, our parents – standing for what is right and fair and Sam Adams can think of nothing else but turning the cops loose….shame on you Mr. Adams.
5.56 ammo is only about a buck each, and it’s a lot cheaper in bulk
Dude, you have less brains than balls and you have no balls to speak of you f**king coward.
hey dimwit you are easily spooked
Dude, you are an ignorant bi tch so maybe you better go and watch past episodes of Jersey Shore.
Says someone who has never purchased it…
GET OUT OF OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. GET A JOB AND GET A LIFE !!!!
WHAT A MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT YOU ARE. EVICTION IS LOOMING….I CAN’T WAIT…EX LAX SOUP….Such a good one…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You are a paid corporate shill…you have identified yourself. I am sure that Anonymous will be taking note.
Poor sad person…. Why are you so down on yourself that you would wish other harm?
you all stopid occupiers should move out cause this is my town! I gonna vote for michele backman so she will kick you communists all out of our country.
don’t you know there are tourists out there? the worlds greatest leader of all time Mr George Bush has prootected us with the tourist act. I mean partiass act. if you aren’t for herman cain you is a tourist and should go to military court to be enhanced interogated. if you don’t vote republican you are against us and a tourist.
you guys are losers. If you are not rich, you should blame yourself. I am rich.
god created america so we can support israel and kill the native americans. So america is now for us. god created this country so we can tell the world how they should live. we are the greatest ever.
we will bring democrity to the world and religion. so everyone will know how to behave. if you reject this, you are a stopid tourist
i can’t wait for you to all go. you are not the 99% you are like the 2%. The reall 99% watches nascar and drinks bud light and attacks tourists cause they are evil. just like you occupiders are evil. just add a D to evil and you get a devil. and thats what u are. devils. tourists. you are not for the true republican americans, so you are evil devils. get out of the park!!!!
How are tourists evil? I mean damn, all they do is walk around and snap pictures. I know terrorists are evil, but you said tourists. And how about you stop believing in an invisible person up in the sky. Maybe then you will see that not everyone that is smart enough not to be a republican is a communist. I am not a republican, and I am not a communist. But a lot of the things you said makes you a fascist. Do us all a favor and learn to use spell check before you come on here and spew your ignorant bullshit. Btw, no god would ever make a country and let people live here, if he made it for other people. If a god made this country for anyone, it would be the Native Americans, definitely not you. I know you don’t know how to actually be happy since your mom and dad are brother and sister, but I think if you just accept it and move on, maybe you can find some peace.
You are totally sick and illiterate to boot. You have no clue that you are not part of the 1%. That group would scoff at your ignorance. These occupiers are exercising their constitutional right to free speech and assembly. Guess you wouldn’t know about constitutional rights. Neither does Michelle Bachman.
oddly enough… We love you too. Let us show you a better world. A world where you won’t have to hate yourself anymore. Yes… you are included too.
hahaha honestly this must be a joke.. however sad cause most of america believes this bullshit
Hang in there! Occupy Olympia supports you! And so do I….
What started as a great statement and movement has turned into nothing but losers occupying once beautiful parks and ruining them with filth, sex, drugs, homeless, and alcohol. GO HOME. Go somewhere else. Sam Adams has been MORE than nice to you all but you have over-stepped your boundaries. They closed down the park restrooms and removed city workers because of your “peaceful” protest. Ruining the environment is NOT peaceful. GET OUT OF THE PARKS!
You need to pay attention to what is going on around you. I suspect that you are shrill but even shrills get to have some of the love that is raining down.
We will no longer be silent.
what if they have no home to go to? i think that’s one of the reason we’re protesting..
Some people writing here spew thoughtless hate. They should examine their own twisted motivations before they comment.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mohandas Gandhi …
it’s healthy to not get everything you want
Tell that to the 1% that own YOU angryman.
Everyone that is occupying the city park need to remember that they will probably be released fast enough to rejoin the occupation before everyone is arrested. It can be a continuous stream of people rejoining the occupation so that the police eventually will give up and let you stay!
your little plan won’t work if the police start shooting
well they’re proving that 5000 people can hold a city of half a million hostage
Gotta admit the people hating on the movement are thumb sucking sheep who love being enslaved, no vaseline with a sandpaper condom, angry yet haterman!!! LOL what now numbnut!!!
For every one person there…. There are 10000 who support them. This is world wide and love is winning.
for every person there, there are 1,000,000 who don’t support them
What is the ransom?
hold corporate frauds accountable?
end corporate personhood?
i second that….
cops are moving against occupiers at third and salmon
have one hell of a party
This is a beautiful thing happening here. There is nothing the movement needs more than this eye-opening event to reboot the entire demonstration. We have gained so much support tonight. We will continue to spread our message, and we will do it more productively than before. We will learn from our mistakes, and I’m sure our camp will be more likely to clean up our act after our first shut-down. We are the 99%, and we will continue to prevail.
To clarify, I support the MOVEMENT. I don’t abuse drugs. I am NOT an alcoholic. I am NOT homeless. I’ve never applied for food stamps, nor have I collected unemployment. I am NOT pushing for government handouts. I am pushing for reformation.
I held two jobs through high school, and couldn’t afford to eat everyday; I often worked a manual labor job on little more than a serving of white rice or a bowl of top-ramen a day. I was often very sick, and have more hospital bills than I can afford.
Yet, I graduated high school. I am attending college, and I am doomed to spend decades in debt. I have worked HARD to beat the odds, and there will be little reward to reap if the people submit to our corrupt economic and political systems. My fight toward success will never come if we continue along like nothing is wrong. I have lived a life struggling for financial security. I came from a family that struggled for financial security. We don’t get bail-outs; if we fail, we fail. We work hard, and we are taken advantage of. We are not seen as human lives, memories, and emotions in the grand scheme of things; we are treated as little more than net income, laborers, and a tool to be used to gain power.
There are most definitely individuals hurting our image; however, the movement -the purpose- is something that needs to continue to spread.
Phoenix is watching and supports the movement. The world is waqtching and is inspired.
My family struggles from paycheck to paycheck – and yet – you do NOT represent me. Occupy does not represent the 99% as it claims. You guys are entitled to your beliefs – but please stop saying you are fighting for “the people”, because you really don’t get it. Struggles make you stronger. To reach a goal in life, you go through struggles. To learn patience, you suffer tribulations. And as you walk through these times of life, you NEVER pull others down by deliberately blocking their way. That is for the immoral – unprincipled people. So no – you do not represent me.
By that logic you could justify any exploitation or abuse of the powerless by the powerful–the lower class simply have to accept any and all suffering because it makes them stronger and somehow more mature, and should never complain or demand a more just society, by what you’re saying. What would you have said about the Civil Rights Movemement, that oppressed minorities should just learn from their tribulations?
I understand that you may not think things are that bad right now, but tell that to the homeless or the soon-to-be homeless, or to prostitutes and kids conscripted into gangs at the age of ten. Go, and tell them to their faces, if you can, that things aren’t really bad enough for them to complain, and that they should just learn from their struggles.
You work paycheck to paycheck, but you have a job and you have a home; please realize that not everyone can say the same, and that some of us who can feel the need to speak out for those who cannot.
the original poster is right, you say you are the 99% but you really aren’t
the far left always hides behind the silent majority … if you don’t think this is a far left movement take a look at adbusters.org sometime
There is no doubt the far left has a piece in this movement, but if you think this movement doesn’t include people from all sides of the aisle then you aren’t paying attention. When a bank forecloses on a house they don’t ask what your politics are. When the only jobs available pay less than the cost of necessary items such as housing, food, and utilities they don’t question your politics for the position. When the laws are designed to disregard our basic freedoms in order to pave the way for large corporations to add more to their profits your beliefs aren’t part of the conversation. When someone who is part of the 1% gets to hold onto a tax loophole to write off their yacht or jet while veterans and elderly have their source of retirement and benefits slashed that affects people from all sides. We are all involved in this mess, whether we agree or not on what the solutions may be. All these people are only fighting for your right to voice your opinion on the matter.
Good comment Mark. You very accurately describe the problem on a very human level.
I just hope you don’t make the false conclusion that the Federal government holds the solution. As you look closer at the keepers of the status quo, they are equally represented by Reps and Dems who are for sale to the highest bidder. You keep re-electing these people because they promise you a ‘safe’ choice. If you were able to be bold enough to choose Ron Paul instead of the same people who keep selling us all out, then maybe we have a chance, but I honestly question what the occupiers real motives are here. It will take courage AND a bit of intellect to create the change that is needed. There is no safety net anymore.. sorry.
I spoke with a Portland police officer yesterday who wanted an Occupy Portland t-shirt (since we were giving them away for free to the general public, police officers are permitted to accept them). We had a good conversation about the state of the country and about how he fears for his children’s ability to get a good education and about how he is having to downshift his solidly middle class lifestyle (he said he made a good income). He said he hoped OWS eventually led to a centrist party of the working and middle class, but he felt like the Democrats were both too left-wing and too beholden to the 1%. That definitely isn’t a far left position, and I think it is the true voice of the 99% (and he wanted an Occupy Portland t-shirt).
Oh yeah, we hide. That’s why there are thousands of people showing up in the streets everywhere. Go suck on one of your teabags and drop a few of Rush’s heroin pills – then continue to do deceive yourself. Rush’s job on you is complete.
You only wish that the lies you speak are true so you don’t have to think at all.
Remember, denial is NOT just a river in Egypt!
omg. adbusters, really? so this whole thing has been a culture jamming hoax? and here i thought people were marching in the cold rain and sleeping on the ground and eating cold oatmeal because they were trying to say something real.
could you enunciate more clearly? when you say “leftist” it sounds like you are saying “satan.”
very well said… the occupy portland movement is not about not accepting hardship. It is about fighting back against the hardship pushed onto us so that the 1% can succeed. It is about standing up against corporate greed and lying politicians. It is about say no it is not ok to take away our rights one at a time in hopes that we do not notice. IF THE PEOPLE DO NOT STAND UP NOW, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? Our society is not educated on the subjects of corporate greed and how that effects us all. It is not the poor that has gotten this country into the situation it is in. IT WAS THE 1% who did it and now we all pay the price…..I am proud to live where people will stand up and say, “we will not take this anymore.” I am proud for you to represent me….and for those that think this doesn’t effect them, then it truly show how uneducated you are regarding the cause and the dire circumstances this country is in. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
Clueless stupid BOY..You just dont get it do you?..And to stupid to learn..think you know it all?..most clueless think this way…???lolololol..by by nat and your soup kitchen..go get a job and make your kids proud of you..what kind of man has his women go out and make the money while he sits home??NO MAN!..little boys do things like that..
There are a lot of people trying to speek for ‘us’. I have been watching the news broadcasts on three TV channels off and on since 11pm Saturday. Fox 12, KOIN, Chan 8, seem to all be taking the side of the police, the message of the protesters seem to be diluted by the business interests pretending to speek for folks that are not employed or not present. I have worked for business operations that pretend to speek for me, even acting as if I sold my right to speek after I started to work for them as if thier money bought my silence! The police trying to clear the Portland park area are listening only to the business interests, the mayor as the lap puppy for them also. I understand the idea of struggle to better the soul and mind, but a fraud has been created by monsters pretending to be be our benefactors! Businesses dumping people into the street and abandoning them to fend for themselves. Banks robbing the Federal government of the ‘peoples’ assets after their screw-up. A military businesses promoting a war for profit and exploiting our patriot values for base ends! Open your eyes, the people have been raped! A few have become rapists and social predators! You might be happy now in the short term, but what happens when you are no longer a corporate darling?
This is about tearing down the walls and people getting back to what’s important: PEOPLE….If you don’t support that I feel sorry for you.
My Dear Stephanie Bell, those people not only represent you interest but represent interest off all of us working, unemployed, sick, homeless people. Please read you history books that you missed in HS.
Those people will be view as our heroes in the history.
Stephanie Bell, look around your self, your friends and neighbors, what kind of future they have? What kind of social safety net they have. US compare to the rest of industrialized countries are on the end of the list.
Good Luck to you all Portland
I have struggled through many trials also, worked full time and attended school full time taking care of kids and house while my husband away from home for a job; I earned an MA and we owned a home playing the American dream game. The crash happened and I lost my job, my husband became ill and then they took our house; in the end all my struggle has merely gone to enrich the bank. Wake up and learn about the truth of our situation; the greed of the richest few are the reason you must live paycheck to paycheck, their wealth has increased nearly 300% in the decades while social ammenities such as decent schools good paying jobs have been eroded. Occupy, you do represent me and the 99% whether they are aware or not; you were awesome last night!! I am proud and greatful, you rock!!!!!
this has been going on for ever…and now it has happen to you and we should all come to your aid…where have you been?…i am ready for what is about to come to this world…are you?
Stephanie, sadly, it is you who does not seem to “get it.” Even in a world with reasonably applied equity, which is what we are struggling to bring. There will be plenty enough “trials, and tribulations” to build character.
Even in a world with more equity there will be people who live beyond their resources and are unable to save for a rainy day because of it. They too, will live from paycheck to paycheck. The difference would be that, in a world with more equity, living paycheck to paycheck would be a far better indicator of irresponsible living than it is today. Today, living paycheck to paycheck can easily mean that the cost of healthy food, appropriate housing, and expenses commensurate with basic social living exceeds the wages a person can be expected to produce with respectable effort.
The Occupy Mvmt. is asking that sacrifice, and “trials & tribulations” be spread amongst everyone as equally as possible. We do NOT have the unrealistic expectation that sacrifice will be removed from our lives.
You don’t get it, do you? Who controls the media and decides what information you will access in the U.S.? Corporations. Who controls the government in the U.S.? Most countries have less than 100 television stations. The U.S., China, and Russia have more than 1,000 each. Someone in each country is trying to control the way the citizens of those countries view reality. Think about that before you repeat the FOX News/Rush Limbaugh talking points. Which corporation is looking out for your future? None.
Stephanie, I agree that struggles make you stronger and no one wants a free ride here. I certainly don’t. It’s just that many people have come to see that the game is rigged against them. The idea that anyone can work hard and “make it” has become a myth. There’s nothing wrong in wanting to live in a civilized country that actually takes care of its citizens. The top percent have used their incredible wealth to buy political power…how can that be good?
We totally support your right not to be represented. We are very happy to make sure you too have the right to work from hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck, continuing to vote against your own best interests.
Why don’t you just sit down and have a nice cup of tea. Just grab a bag from the back of your straw hat so you can continue to be blind as you watch the bags dangle in your eyes, hiding from the truth, as those you support carve away your true rights, which is how they want you. But, don’t tell us who we represent and who we don’t represent.
LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.
You have seen a need to change the world, and I think you’ve found a way: No one is left out.
Last night I thought the park would be cleared, and I have been thrilled to see the numbers swell in peaceful celebration! Many of us care for elderly, or others who cannot attend, and yet we visit and donate when we can, and send our love and our strong affirmations that this movement of the People will continue to grow and thrive.
Whether the general citizenry realizes it or not, this is a movement to wrest the nation from the clutches of corporate governance by multinational entities, loyal only to Profits, which, not only care little for the needs of humans, but actually make their greatest gains in a permanent state of War and environmental degradation.
As someone who apparently didn’t really believe his own words once said, “Nothing can stop the power of millions of voices calling for change”. And the Occupy movement has grown so quickly, it is clear that it has struck a chord world-wide.
Thank you for staying peaceful, and remembering the humanity of even those who fear change. Thank you for standing up for us all.
Stephanie, I have struggled through many trials also,I worked full time and attended school full time while taking care of kids and the house with my husband away from home for a job. I earned an MA and we owned a home playing the American dream game, then the crash happened and I lost my job, my husband became ill and then they took our house; in the end all my struggle has merely gone to enrich the bank. My wish is that you too will wake up and learn about the truth of our situation; the greed of the richest few are the reason you must live paycheck to paycheck. Their wealth has increased nearly 300% in the decades while social ammenities such as decent schools and good paying jobs have been eroded. Occupy, you do represent me and the 99% whether they are aware or not; you were awesome last night!! I am proud and grateful, you rock!!!!!
The tolls are out in force. Must mean that OWS is doing something significant! Keep up the good work!
this whole thing is an exercise in passive-aggressively baiting the cops … peaceful my ass. shame shame everybody knows your name.
So, which corporation/big bank are you being paid by to troll the Occupy website?
No, it’s not.
I am rubber and you are glue … everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you
OMIGOD! Peewee Herman, as I live and breathe!
You stink to high-heaven with rotten moldy tea. By the way, I’ve been to your kind of demonstrations which remain peaceful only because the protesters bring automatic weapons, now that’s passive-aggressive with the emphasis on aggressive – perhaps we should do that too – maybe you’ll show up – just dangle that turd of a tea bag from your unseeing eyes.
not withstanding your protestations to the contrary, your movement has zero tolerance for dissent… marxism with tasty ipod flavoring in that chi tea
It is spelled Chai dude. Try it sometime.
marxists always say “fairness” instead of “total regulation of all economic activity by the state” … it just sounds better
Angryman.. Although I support the overall need for protest from just about every corner of the political spectrum, and applaud the peaceful actions of the occupiers over the last 24 hours, I also agree with you, and hope people consider what you are saying. The aggrandized State IS what has brought us to this pathetic condition, and it is time that we all awaken to this. don’t berate these people… I’ll bet if you sat down with most of them, you would agree on more things that you disagree on.
Shame on you, “OccupyPortland”. You trashed our parks, and then went home and left the mess for others to clean up. It looks like you soaked up $1M of our public resources, just between police overtime costs and cleanup costs (which are coming). Those resources could have been used to help people that really need it. You did not accomplish ANYTHING of value, your self-serving statements are ridiculous. You are incapable of making any constructive statement of purpose, you just want attention and you obviously don’t care about the REAL impact of your actions, how it hurts REAL people (the REAL 99%). I actually pay taxes in this town, unlike many of you system-suckers. And now I’m going to be stuck paying the bill for your little camping party. Shame, shame, shame.
So I posted a comment critical of the Occupy Portland movement, and it’s being censored. No bad language, just a strong alternative opinion against what has happened. My comment is currently showing a status of “waiting on moderation” since before 2:00 pm this afternoon. Nice to know that you all censor the discussion, that you can’t handle someone with a different opinion.
No principles around here, that’s for sure.
Don’t worry, Mr. Moderator, I won’t be surprised when you don’t post the follow-up, either.
So Mr. “Moderator”, since I know that you’re censoring my comments, that I’m only speaking to one person – you.
So how does it feel to spend your time censoring the conversation? Sitting behind your computer and deciding which comments to post, making sure that the commentary on your “Livestream” appears sufficiently supportive of your group?
You claim to speak for 99% of us – everyone but the rich jerks that run the system. You claim to support democracy, to be a movement about ideas. But if someone contributes a comment that you don’t like, you suppress it. You probably don’t see the irony in that.
Every bad period in our recent history has relied on people like you to support the system, to control thought and suppress criticism. You’re no different than the creeps on the right that fall in line with the Koch brothers. What you say is very different than what you do.
How does that feel, Mr. Moderator? Mr. Censor?
WHAT HAPPENED???!!! MY LIVE FEED JUST STOPPED!!!
I AM REALLY REALLY SICK OF THE FILTHY SCUM SCREWING UP OUR PUBLIC PARKS FOR EVERYONE!
GO GET A JOB!
“The constitution is a document for the government to control it’s people; it’s so the people can control their government” -Thomas Jefferson
If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything! WE ARE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS THE MAIN GROUP OF THE 99% RIGHT NOW, AND ABOUT HOW MANY DO YOU ESTIMATE ARE THERE AT THIS TIME??? THANKS
Protesters go away. We do not want you. The 99% of Portland residents wants the 1% “Occupy Portland” to clean up and leave ASAP.
PORTLAND OREGON you just showed the world who we are…We are a city of true love and caring…NOW LETS GET BACK TO OCCUPY WALL STREET..Like i said after the second week, i see this movement braking off in to lots of good grass root movement to really get things done…To those that want to help the homeless and street kids..Join a group that is set up to do this, they have been around a long time…THE UNION IS VERY PROUD OF PORTLAND OREGON AND ALL ITS PEOPLE…we showed the world.
“the union” is a work of fiction. it does not exist.
Go home. What is your point? Is your protest effective? No, it’s costing everyone money that no one has. Go home. Quit taunting the police.
Our hearts go to you guys in Portland, as well as the rest of the occupy Wall-street movement. I’m seeing thousands are watching, is Wall-street? Notice the silence coming from those who control all else.
Thank you Livestream people. Thousands of supporters appreciate what you do.
HMMM, channel 2/ katu is showing on their coverage, that HOMELAND SECURITY is involved in clearing out the protesters. They are showing reports that are labeled on the screen as coming from Homeland Security. did you know they were involved? that’s the Feds. No doubt monitoring or else coordinating things with the cops.
ok they just said that the Federal Protective Service? is part of the cop forces because they are protecting Federal property / park.
why cant you all simply OBEY
i command you angryman, to leave this page! OBEY!
Isnt that how we got into this mess in the first place? By obeying blindly and not thinking for ourselves, just swallowing all the bullshit they feed us, and letting the rich elite run our country… Well the time is no more my friend. Our eyes our open, and we see a light at the end of this dark tunnel.
we will not obey! we are not sheep! we are free thinkers which means we are dangerous to those who try to manipulate us! we are onto their lies & we will not stand for it anymore!
Thank you, Occupy!
We are far more likely to get robbed by a person with a pen, than a person with a gun.
God bless you Occupiers, you are doing the right thing. I appreciate you. Stay brave, peaceful and mature. You are representing the 99%
apparently agent provacateurs are now posting in these threads? Thats all i can figure given some of the stupid reactionary rants above. Props to the occupiers. I find it very odd when people return to this meme about “filth” and “sex”……like, huh? Are you serious? Im sure the john birch society still has chairs available for you.
DamaskPortland is back online
For those who say we do not represent you- or the 99%, I agree. We are representative of the 99%, not the representatives for all the 99%. We speak only for ourselves as individuals which I am doing right now, yet we have common observations and ideas of reform. They begin with sparking the idea that the people in this country, the 99% of the country who do not hold the money and USE IT to mold the law to their favor at any cost to others, are who are getting used to the constant struggle, are such an overwhelming majority that the only thing we have to do is call attention to this fact. We must make the rest of Americans take a look around and see that if we want change, we can surely have it. We are not the leaders. We are individual actors in a movement of using our Constitutional right to redress our grievances with our government. Everyone who does so for themselves is their own leader. What we are, is a solution to a distracted, exhausted, defeated nation of human beings who have less education and health and less time to think and observe. We will continue to make ourselves visible while shedding light on the real makeup of our society when no one is discounted or ignored. America, we are your attention span. “We are the 99%” means we are made of the group of people that 1% of the people manipulate the laws and circumstances against. It does not mean that 99% of the people agree with us. So with that, “Mic Check! Mic Check! Brothers and Sisters, wake up! There’s more of us than them! We can do better! Participate! Demand your Constitutional Rights and Human Rights! Who’s country? Our Country! We are the 99%!” And in the end, that is just my opinion.
and by less education and health, and less time to think and observe, I of course meant collectively less than ever before, or less and less. I did not mean others had less health, education, and time. Thanks for your patience as I read back my own words. LOL <3
Still confused what people in these protests want… all I see is silly quotes about “free-thinking” “99%” etc… but no actionable agenda. Sorry.
I believe the whole point is to encourage discussion about major issues in this country. A big problem in the US the last decade or so has been apathy. This apathy is what has allowed large corporations to take over our government. We as a society assume our government interest lies in protecting it’s people, this is a misunderstanding, the gov. job is to protect the voices, the citizen voters and the problem comes from the large corporations are the only ones voting. If you see this as an issue where it is important to have a singular issue than I feel you are mistaken. More important is to get the people awake and listening and paying attention. If we as a nation have demands that creates a place for negotiations to start, but that will be most we can ever hope for. If we say we want a better system in general then our opponents are forced to say what they are willing to give.
If you don’t think this is a realistic political point of view, look at the republican congress and what they have done to Obama. The president has even tried to give congress republican endoresed bills just to get the process moving and they turn him down on everything. This is essentially what I believe the movement is doing back to the establishment. We know it works… just look at it.
The best weapon we have against a corporate owned government is our minds and our voices. The worst enemy to big business is an informed consumer.
What have the homeless and drunks every done in life…they cant even run there own life and they want to change the world…most live off the very sYstem they cry about…SSI…FOODSTAMPS…WELFARE
hey livestream community, nathanH here. Most of our livestream crew are resting and recovering today. We will be back as soon as we can. We will continue to do our best to cover all GA’s, events, etc. Occupy Portland is not done. Now we just need to decide where we go from here.
Thank you for all of you in Portland. You handled yourself so well last night as the national watched. The coverage you shared with the world was wonderful. I am so proud of this movement; its peace and logic core. Millions in this country are watching and wishing success for all, all of us. Thank you, and my heart follows occupiers and wishes all the best. Love and peace from Kansas.
You are done NAT…just go away and hide with all the other crockroaches…nat where is all the money you recived…lol…the thief nat…NOW WHAT OCCUPY???…Follow the homeless or internet(what do any of these people ever do?) or follow the movement?…
as always OGU- thank you for your support. you know as well as anyone that i am not responsible for finances in any way shape or form. never have been, never will be. keep trying though.
Nat you must really feel like a real man letting your wife go out and work while you stay home on the internet?..Ever think of getting a real job?..Then maybe you can say you are the 99% because right now you are just a freeloader…you give nothing and take every thing..you are just like them…at least they know it..TWO FACE
i am legally disabled. I have multiple sclerosis. i am honored that my wife loves me enough to be willing to trade roles with me. I am grateful for the opportunity to spend more time with my children.
i worked hard my entire life until i got sick, then i tried to keep working. it cost me my job, my home, my health, and almost cost me my wife and family.
This was a low blow from even you OGU. I hope you sincerely take a step back and think hard and long b4 you bring people’s personal lives into this conversation again.
Just a tip STUPID…when you have livestream going and you are saying bad things about all the bad banks…dont use a free site that is payed for by CITYBANK…makes you fake and two face…dont you think?
we will use whatever tools are at our disposal.
ps- how’s the weather in maryland? How is your fictatious union treating you?
I just called the mayors office and told him I as a Portland resident want a full investigation into the person that WAS BEAT BY THE PORTLAND POLICE..AND THE THE CHIEF NEEDS TO RESIGN………..
Hmm, just watched the video that purports to show Portland Police beating a protestor, yet nowhere in the video do you see PPB beating anyone; nor are they yelling, acting belligerently, etc. So the provacateur seems to be the people who claim this person was beaten nearly to death. Now we find that he wasn’t in critical condition at all. Next it will be that he stubbed his toe. Truth is out there – but apparently not to be found in Indymedia.
OK I am sure he will get right at that…lol
Riot police deliver pizza..Never seen anything like it..Must be some darn good pizza..This is what a police state looks like..
After GA vote, Occupy oakland is on march to take back Oscar Grant Plaza right now.
Where’s the livestream for the GA now in Pioneer Square?
I can’t find anything about an Oregon Growers Union either. I agree with someone who said those posts shouldn’t be on here, it does nothing but confuse new people who are trying to find out about Occupy Portland and what it stands for and how I can be a part of it .
So proud of all you young people standing up for what you believe in , even if what you believe in I’m not too sure of , but most of what I know about it, I believe in it too . This country is a mess .
It isn’t your fault if people chose to do drugs in the camp. You can’t police people. I drove by there today and the camps are empty, except for police standing outside. I watched you all the whole night long on Livestream and was very happy that you got the park back. When I woke up that afternoon my boyfriend told me that dump trucks were hauling things off and I said, ” NO Way.” Big surprise when I found out it was true . Damn, I should have known them telling you to go back in the park was just a ploy to get people to leave. It is what is is . Glad at least Portland didn’t get tear gassed like Oakland .
tents as speech is brought to you by lawyers … the same folks who brought you corporations as people
OK, a guy at 11-14-11 GA just proposed to try to shut down every business on Black Friday in PDX. I don’t want to take it that far, I would rather have groups around your typical big-box, non-local store chains (e.g., Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target, Macy’s, etc.). I’d rather leave our local small merchants alone.
Sorry, I meant for this to be its own post, not a reply. My bad.
Sorry my previous posting was to be its own post, not a reply. Me error I hope Moderator can fix. Thank you.
The mayor of Portland is the Police Commissioner by city charter, thus Adam’s is in charge, make NO MISTAKE about who controls the cop’s in Portland. Largely a MYTH that the poly-tickians like to play that the cop-shop is NOT under their command.
“A little revolution now and again is a good thing” – Thomas Jefferson
On behalf of Occupy Portland, and the general public, we would like to thank Mayor Sam Adams. Thank you Sam Adams for granting us the liberty that you and your staffers have. Thank you Sam Adams for supporting our cause when you speak to media and supporting us through weeks of patience, your hard work in keeping us safe and litterally spending most of your waking ours managing this challenging situation at a time that has soo many challenges already for a community, lastly, Thank you Sam Adams, Portland Police as well as officers from other agencies. Community outreach who are on the ground ensuring that our needs and the communities needs are met. Most of all, serving and protecting us and we thank you. Thank You For Your Service! May we all be inspired by the example shown through powers that be in Portland, inspired to serve. When we see the example you display, Sam Adams, We are reminded of a great speach – Quote “It is not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country” Big Thank You Portland!
This is an individual’s comment and does not reflect Occupy Portland’s agreed-upon position.
Obey the police … and they don’t have to tear gas you.. idiots
Thanks for the great livestream coverage. Some food for thought..
Several (more than 3) times the livestream person stated the police were using “tear gas” and this was even repeated anecdotally to a bystander.
My experience with tear gas is it’s a canister lobbed into a crowd emiting vast quantities of tear gas “smoke” if you will, causing immediate and vigorously obvious distress.
Did not see anything even remotely resembling this, so I conclude there was no tear gas and these statements are inaccurate and dangerous.
Journalistic integrity please. Take a lesson from Mr. Pool at livestream NYC/we are the 99%. (if you are going to provide and broadcast/create a narrative, keep it clean)
i am curious – where the comments that the police HAD tear gas, or that they where USING tear gas? the difference is a huge deal and if our livestream operators or mixing the 2 terms up i’d like to make sure that gets corrected. We’ve never had tear gas used against us in portland but the police have def had tear gas at the rdy several times.
You guys hold your head high. More of the real 99% are coming. Sad that people would be so desperate for attention that they would come here and bash people.
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